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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:27:41 GMT
Nah, lets bury the corpses of Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness. We are British. your argument earlier was about burying divisiveness , and i simply pointed out the very articles that created your uk in 1707 enshrined divisiveness.
Others on here would say to you lets bury the corpse of britishness . We are european........
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 11:29:43 GMT
Nah, lets bury the corpses of Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness. We are British. How oppressive |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:30:53 GMT
Im not welsh. I have no beef in the welsh discussion about what to call thier country , and wish them well whatever they do. I thought it an interesting topic for this discussion forum , and predictably as we see in scotland , the only people upset appear to be brit nats and their fragile one nation identity.
Imagine english peakers , the economic language of the world and one of the three main language of this earth being upset by a wee language like welsh?
I think steve it shows more about your insecurity than it says about the welsh or anyone else.
FFS all I actually said was it was a political move and FIFA frown on those. Carwyn jones and many others welsh are british unionists and native welsh speakers. So im not sure how this argument logically follows that if they speak welsh , call their nation cymru , that they are somehow making political statements and wanting welsh independence.
As i said , you are letting your own insecurities get in the way of good sense.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 11:34:30 GMT
Nah, lets bury the corpses of Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness. We are British. your argument earlier was about burying divisiveness , and i simply pointed out the very articles that created your uk in 1707 enshrined divisiveness.
Others on here would say to you lets bury the corpse of britishness . We are european........
We are European, but Europe isn't a sovereign country, it is 50 sovereign countries. The UK is one sovereign country internationally recognised as being so. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are non sovereign states. They are not proper countries. I would hold a referendum to modernise the Union and abolish them. Have a UK wide legal system and put our House of Commons in Wales. Replace the Lords with an elected Senate and put it in Edinburgh. Replace FPTP with PR. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:35:03 GMT
Nah, lets bury the corpses of Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness. We are British. How oppressive However much i disagree with him , he is entitled to his opinion. Not sure how its any more oppresive than your attempts to oppress the welsh from naming their country in their native language? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:37:37 GMT
your argument earlier was about burying divisiveness , and i simply pointed out the very articles that created your uk in 1707 enshrined divisiveness.
Others on here would say to you lets bury the corpse of britishness . We are european........
We are European, but Europe isn't a sovereign country, it is 50 sovereign countries. Neither is the united kingdom. The uk is a multi national sovereign state as recognised internationally and internally with the uk gov itself.
Im not sure how the geographic name britian , which isnt even a country in any way shape or form , is any more relevant than the geographic name european.?
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 11:55:57 GMT
The UK is a sovereign country with four states inside it.
Wales is a non sovereign principality inside it, Scotland England and Northern Ireland are non sovereign Kingdoms aka states.
Abolish them. Let's be one.
Lets be united. England are never going to win the World Cup again. There's no reason for the four states to continue to exist differently except for football.
Let's be one. Unite the UK.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 12:04:30 GMT
The UK is a sovereign country with four states inside it. We are arguing semantics.
A country/nation can be either sovereign or non sovereign. One doesnt negate the other.
You are also struggling to come to terms with that little thing called devolution voted for by vast majority , which ended the old unitary state 23 years ago.
barely 8 % of scots and even less want to end devolution , and many more in the recent social attitudes want scotland having even more power.
you need a majority in scotland wales and northern ireland for that to happen. At present you dont , and it looks as though the uk is closer to breaking up than at any time in the last three centuries.
the reality is vinny , if the uk doesnt break up , its going to be swallowed up into something bigger like the EU. Either way i dont fancy your chances.
You english have been trying to erase our identities since the dark ages...........we are still here ,and ireland is mostly independent instead of being classed as the west britons as they once were.
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 12:23:19 GMT
However much i disagree with him , he is entitled to his opinion. Not sure how its any more oppresive than your attempts to oppress the welsh from naming their country in their native language? I suggest you actually read my posts instead of wildly extrapolating them. If the Welsh want to rename their team then they can do so IF it's a clear wish of the relevant majority Vinny wants to remove the right Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have to field their own national teams in a number of sports. That's oppressive. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 12:31:25 GMT
Vinny wants to remove the right Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have to field their own national teams in a number of sports. That's oppressive. By holding a referendum and having the whole of the UK voting on amalgamating the states into one. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 12:34:29 GMT
However much i disagree with him , he is entitled to his opinion. Not sure how its any more oppresive than your attempts to oppress the welsh from naming their country in their native language? I suggest you actually read my posts instead of wildly extrapolating them. If the Welsh want to rename their team then they can do so IF it's a clear wish of the relevant majority you spent the whole of this thread comeing up with poor reasons why a nation cant name itself in sport under its native moniker. Whats more , you arent even a member of that nation.
I would say thats as oppresive as anything vinny is saying , and at the least arrogant in the extreme.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 12:36:49 GMT
Vinny wants to remove the right Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have to field their own national teams in a number of sports. That's oppressive. By holding a referendum and having the whole of the UK voting on amalgamating the states into one. How would that be any fairer than holding a referendum in the EU and asking 450 million europeans if they wanted to abolish Britian and amalgamating you into one Europe?
You are being silly now vinny.
Empires that try and impose identities tend not to last. Ask the romans , or the british...........
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 12:40:08 GMT
Vinny wants to remove the right Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have to field their own national teams in a number of sports. That's oppressive. By holding a referendum and having the whole of the UK voting on amalgamating the states into one. 82.7% of people said they had some Scottish national identity.
Scottish identity only
62.4% of Scotland's population said they were ‘Scottish only’.
8.4% of the population said they had ‘British identity only’.
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 12:42:12 GMT
I suggest you actually read my posts instead of wildly extrapolating them. If the Welsh want to rename their team then they can do so IF it's a clear wish of the relevant majority you spent the whole of this thread comeing up with poor reasons why a nation cant name itself in sport under its native moniker. Whats more , you arent even a member of that nation.
I would say thats as oppresive as anything vinny is saying , and at the least arrogant in the extreme.
Oh do actually read what I post instead of imagining it |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 12:42:30 GMT
Vinny wants to remove the right Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland have to field their own national teams in a number of sports. That's oppressive. By holding a referendum and having the whole of the UK voting on amalgamating the states into one. Finally without taking this off topic any further vinny see my posts on the other thread...
– Three-quarters (75%) of people in Scotland thought the Scottish Government ought to have the most influence over the way Scotland is run, compared with 14% who thought the UK Government should
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