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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 2, 2022 12:09:32 GMT
Arguable But it all sounds like a political gesture rather than a reflection of what their supporters want. And IIRC FIFA take a dim view of mixing politics with football (and rightly so) People calling their own countries name in their own native languages is a political gesture? Not sure i understand how? Which people? Less than a third of the population of Wales speak Welsh. But at least that's orders of magnitude greater than the numbers of Gaelic speakers in Scotland. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 2, 2022 12:31:09 GMT
I like it. Think its a great idea. Perhaps Scotland should follow and change to our native Alba as well? Are you sure? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 12:39:02 GMT
Except BLM and taking the knee..................... FIFA has never endorsed any of the various BLM groups. Taking the knee at football was and is an action in protest of the sad neanderthals that like to throw racist abuse at non white footballers Dehumanising people is OK? The neanderthals are an extinct subspecies of humanity, and your post, if taken literally, comes across as racist and even seems to go in support of the white genocide rhetoric.
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Post by Steve on Nov 2, 2022 19:19:47 GMT
Those who launch racist abuse are sub human
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:42:57 GMT
Those who launch racist abuse are sub human No they are not. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 2, 2022 19:47:40 GMT
Those who launch racist abuse are sub human No they are not. Your support for those detritus is noted |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:52:50 GMT
Your support for those detritus is noted Your non sequitur illogical thought is noted. What people say does not make them less human. It's only in your opinion that someone is "sub-human" because of something they say. They are just as human as everyone else. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 2, 2022 19:56:25 GMT
Someone that wants to destroy someone's life just because of their different ethnicity is scum. Scum isn't human.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 20:59:37 GMT
FIFA has never endorsed any of the various BLM groups. Taking the knee at football was and is an action in protest of the sad neanderthals that like to throw racist abuse at non white footballers Dehumanising people is OK? The neanderthals are an extinct subspecies of humanity, and your post, if taken literally, comes across as racist and even seems to go in support of the white genocide rhetoric.
Outside of environmental conditions it seems likely neanderthals were more passive and wiped out by our more aggressive homo sapien ancestors. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 2, 2022 21:40:11 GMT
We go to the Olympics as the UK the United Nations as the UK, war as the UK, our passports are UK, in football and rugby, it should be UK.
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Post by morayloon on Nov 2, 2022 22:35:03 GMT
We go to the Olympics as the UK the United Nations as the UK, war as the UK, our passports are UK, in football and rugby, it should be UK. Except it isn't. Is it |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 7:46:37 GMT
People calling their own countries name in their own native languages is a political gesture? Not sure i understand how? because it's a minority language in Wales so clearly someone is trying to force an agenda to make it the default Eh?
Wether welsh ( or irish and scottish) are minority languages in our own countries is irrelevant. We can discuss why they are minority languages if you like, but the point is if the welsh scottish or irish wish to use the native names for our countries ,
1. What is that to do with someone in England or elsewhere?
2. why does it appear to annoy/upset you?
3.Why is it trying to force an agenda...please elaborate?
Taking the agenda argument to its logical conclusion...any country naming their native land in their own native language and not english could be deemed to be forcing an agenda .. or using your countires emblems ie englands three lions( cheetahs) or st georges cross could be deemd to be forcing an agenda.
I mean steve this really is a nonsense argument.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 3, 2022 7:48:17 GMT
IK don't care if the Welsh change it to Cymru or not it is after all their country and language, I don't care if Scotland change theirs either same thing, I don't care who they play at what, but I will be cheering for those playing against them, I don't care who plays the French either I will be cheering for their opponents as well.   |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 7:50:34 GMT
People calling their own countries name in their own native languages is a political gesture? Not sure i understand how? Which people? Less than a third of the population of Wales speak Welsh. But at least that's orders of magnitude greater than the numbers of Gaelic speakers in Scotland. Again im not sure of your point.?
See my reply to steve.
Why would an english speaker take offence or feel annoyance at a minority language ? The only conclusion is that people who feel british are threatened when the fantasy of the one british homogenous nation comes under threat when the native languages of the various countries that make up the uk show britishness for what it it....a fantasy built on foundations of quicksand.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 8:04:14 GMT
I like it. Think its a great idea. Perhaps Scotland should follow and change to our native Alba as well? Are you sure? Im positive.
I think we need some context here monte ,to your above post. The name Alba , and its variations , could possibly be something around the region of being 5000 years old.
No one knows how or when the goidelic languages came to these islands, but the modern educated guess is with the beaker people around 2400 bc , or possibly earlier. Hence the goidelic name "alba" for the island of Britian.
The earliest accounts we have of the name come from Himilco the carthaginians voyage to these islands around 500 bc where he recorded the name Albiones.
An ancient form of proto gaelic was supposed to be the language of all of these islands at one point till it was pushed north and west by incoming p celtic speakers , or brythonic. Evidence includes river names like "ouse" , which occur 5 times in these islands from orkney to English surrey .Linguists and place name experts regard this name as being from the goidelic word for water...."uisge".
So over 5 millennia , the name has come to mean the land where gaelic was spoken in this island. From once referring to the whole island , to dal riada in western scotland where the dal riadans called themelves the gaels of alba , to scotland north of the forth/clyde by the 9th century , and by the 11th century it meant the whole of mainland scotland and parts of northern england.
No different to other country names , like England , or even Britian , which at times have meant differing areas of land.
As for the meaning , thats one interpretation . Another is the whites of the mountains , for example "the alps" in europe comes from the same indo european or celtic root word.
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