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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 8:07:24 GMT
IK don't care if the Welsh change it to Cymru or not it is after all their country and language, I don't care if Scotland change theirs either same thing, I don't care who they play at what, but I will be cheering for those playing against them, I don't care who plays the French either I will be cheering for their opponents as well.   Well said. You appear to be comfortable in your national identity and language , dont feel threatened by a minority language , and like myself a keen sports fan and supporter of your own nation whatever its sport.
I suppose people who dont like sport as well dont understand the keen rivalry we all love. Nothing better than watching the english try and overcome the mighty scotland , or judge their prowess by how good we are.
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Post by Handyman on Nov 3, 2022 8:16:02 GMT
I am not a huge fan of Sport, but I like Rugby and have been to several Six Nations tournaments great days out few beers take the piss out of each other, win or lose shake hands with other fans from the other nations and go home, I which football was like that I stopped watching football decades ago
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 8:23:06 GMT
I am not a huge fan of Sport, but I like Rugby and have been to several Six Nations tournaments great days out few beers take the piss out of each other, win or lose shake hands with other fans from the other nations and go home, I which football was like that I stopped watching football decades ago fair enough , whatever the sport the sentiment remains the same. We all enjoy supporting our countries and club teams.
Im still non the wiser why someone in England would be upset/annoyed at the welsh or us/the irish calling our countires by our native names?
Is the british identity so fragile it gets upset with an embroidered non english name on a rugby/footbal top ?
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 10:39:53 GMT
because it's a minority language in Wales so clearly someone is trying to force an agenda to make it the default Eh?
Wether welsh ( or irish and scottish) are minority languages in our own countries is irrelevant. We can discuss why they are minority languages if you like, but the point is if the welsh scottish or irish wish to use the native names for our countries ,
1. What is that to do with someone in England or elsewhere?
2. why does it appear to annoy/upset you?
3.Why is it trying to force an agenda...please elaborate?
Taking the agenda argument to its logical conclusion...any country naming their native land in their own native language and not english could be deemed to be forcing an agenda .. or using your countires emblems ie englands three lions( cheetahs) or st georges cross could be deemd to be forcing an agenda.
I mean steve this really is a nonsense argument.
Not nonsense at all. The shirt naming should reflect the wish of the relevant population And the % of people who use Welsh as a first language must be an analog of those that prefer to call Wales Cymru. And when only 29.5% can speak any Welsh we can be sure it's well less than that that prefer to use it. So the only rationale for changing to Cymru on the shirts would be making a political point on behalf of those that want separation from the UK. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 10:55:07 GMT
Eh?
Wether welsh ( or irish and scottish) are minority languages in our own countries is irrelevant. We can discuss why they are minority languages if you like, but the point is if the welsh scottish or irish wish to use the native names for our countries ,
1. What is that to do with someone in England or elsewhere?
2. why does it appear to annoy/upset you?
3.Why is it trying to force an agenda...please elaborate?
Taking the agenda argument to its logical conclusion...any country naming their native land in their own native language and not english could be deemed to be forcing an agenda .. or using your countires emblems ie englands three lions( cheetahs) or st georges cross could be deemd to be forcing an agenda.
I mean steve this really is a nonsense argument.
Not nonsense at all. The shirt naming should reflect the wish of the relevant population which relevant popualtion is that? Welsh or British? 
Absoulte nonsense. The english language is a borrowing language which uses non english names for countries all the time , and then renders them into the english language.
For example. Wales is from west germanic Wealhas ,meaning foreigner , scotland is from the latin scotia , originally meaning ireland and gaelic speaking celts , and so on and so forth. If you can borrow foreign words into modern english as you do all the time , why not borrow from welsh scottish or irish for countries names?
Secondly many welsh scottish or irish no longer speak their native languages , but are interested in them , or happy to use them and their terms as part of a heritage language. Many modern scots in my experience were unaware the term alba referred to historic scotland , because this was not taught to them in school. Most irish dont speak irish , but many are happy with the term Eire being used to denote key services and sports representing modern ireland.
So the percentage argument doesnt stack up as its only a small part of the whole picture.
or as i hinted at above ,this argument could be revered to the only rationale behind the opposition to cymru as opposed to wales is that british nationalists are in a strop about their shaky identity being challenged by a minority language.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 10:55:19 GMT
We go to the Olympics as the UK the United Nations as the UK, war as the UK, our passports are UK, in football and rugby, it should be UK. Except it isn't. Is it It should be, in every case. Do away with the little Welshlander / Scotlander drivel and lets all be UK. It's 2022, the act of Union has been in place for centuries. We are one sovereign nation, divided by sport and politics. Take away the dividers. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:04:05 GMT
It should be, in every case. Do away with the little Welshlander / Scotlander drivel and lets all be UK. It's 2022, the act of Union has been in place for centuries. We are one sovereign nation, divided by sport and politics. Take away the dividers. The acts of union enforce dividers on britain for eternity . Scotland retained its non british laws , church and education systems.
I appreciate you feel british , but what you cant do is impose your identity on those who dont want it.
The sporting identities have been in palce for over a century in terms of football and many other sports.
Lets take away britishness. put the corpse of brittannia to bed once and for all as the irish have done.
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 11:11:50 GMT
So you wish the use Welsh football shirts to push your political wishes. Just like I said those behind this idea do
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:12:30 GMT
Eh?
Wether welsh ( or irish and scottish) are minority languages in our own countries is irrelevant. We can discuss why they are minority languages if you like, but the point is if the welsh scottish or irish wish to use the native names for our countries ,
1. What is that to do with someone in England or elsewhere?
2. why does it appear to annoy/upset you?
3.Why is it trying to force an agenda...please elaborate?
Taking the agenda argument to its logical conclusion...any country naming their native land in their own native language and not english could be deemed to be forcing an agenda .. or using your countires emblems ie englands three lions( cheetahs) or st georges cross could be deemd to be forcing an agenda.
I mean steve this really is a nonsense argument.
Not nonsense at all. The shirt naming should reflect the wish of the relevant population And the % of people who use Welsh as a first language must be an analog of those that prefer to call Wales Cymru. And when only 29.5% can speak any Welsh we can be sure it's well less than that that prefer to use it. The vast majority of people in Wales want to see more done by the Welsh Government to promote the Welsh language, according to an opinion poll published today.
The Welsh Government asked 11,000 adults in Wales and found that:
83% of non-Welsh speakers were proud of the language
63% of non-Welsh speakers thought more should be done to support the language
62% of non-Welsh speakers would like to be able to speak it
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:15:06 GMT
So you wish the use Welsh football shirts to push your political wishes. Just like I said those behind this idea do Im not welsh. I have no beef in the welsh discussion about what to call thier country , and wish them well whatever they do. I thought it an interesting topic for this discussion forum , and predictably as we see in scotland , the only people upset appear to be brit nats and their fragile one nation identity.
Imagine english speakers , the economic language of the world and one of the three main language of this earth being upset by a wee language like welsh?
I think steve it shows more about your insecurity than it says about the welsh or anyone else.
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 11:15:19 GMT
And how did they pick those 11,000 adults?
The article does not link to a respected poll supplier
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Post by Steve on Nov 3, 2022 11:16:27 GMT
So you wish the use Welsh football shirts to push your political wishes. Just like I said those behind this idea do Im not welsh. I have no beef in the welsh discussion about what to call thier country , and wish them well whatever they do. I thought it an interesting topic for this discussion forum , and predictably as we see in scotland , the only people upset appear to be brit nats and their fragile one nation identity.
Imagine english peakers , the economic language of the world and one of the three main language of this earth being upset by a wee language like welsh?
I think steve it shows more about your insecurity than it says about the welsh or anyone else.
FFS all I actually said was it was a political move and FIFA frown on those. And you've been beating me up ever since yet can't actually deny those two facts |
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:18:39 GMT
And how did they pick those 11,000 adults? The article does not link to a respected poll supplier Dont shoot the messenger.
As i said , from our own research and views in scotland we see very similar views in that many people arent native scottish speakers but are very interested and supportive of gaidhlig , except fragile brit nats of course.
86% believe the Welsh language is something to be proud of. 67% thought more effort needed to be put into supporting the language. 68% of Welsh speakers felt confident speaking Welsh.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 11:22:01 GMT
Im not welsh. I have no beef in the welsh discussion about what to call thier country , and wish them well whatever they do. I thought it an interesting topic for this discussion forum , and predictably as we see in scotland , the only people upset appear to be brit nats and their fragile one nation identity.
Imagine english peakers , the economic language of the world and one of the three main language of this earth being upset by a wee language like welsh?
I think steve it shows more about your insecurity than it says about the welsh or anyone else.
FFS all I actually said was it was a political move and FIFA frown on those. And you've been beating me up ever since yet can't actually deny those two facts Its a linguistic move . Im sorry you cant handle the fact there are non english native languages in these islands , but i hardly think Fifa or Uefa are going to have a meltdown at the welsh calling themselves Cymru.
Tons of countries for various reasons have changed their names without issue. You are beating yourself up and letting your british nationalism get the better of good sense.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 11:23:29 GMT
Nah, lets bury the corpses of Englishness, Scottishness and Welshness.
We are British.
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