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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2022 23:49:10 GMT
Why do you say that? Based on these current polls, it isn't even close to that, but Labour majorities in 3 figures.
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Post by brexitcrusader83 on Nov 18, 2022 4:42:44 GMT
Why do you say that? Based on these current polls, it isn't even close to that, but Labour majorities in 3 figures. Polls project over 500 seats for Starmer if their was an election tomorrow. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 18, 2022 7:21:33 GMT
Why do you say that? Based on these current polls, it isn't even close to that, but Labour majorities in 3 figures. Polls project over 500 seats for Starmer if their was an election tomorrow. That isn't going to happen, not even if there was an election tomorrow. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 18, 2022 7:21:52 GMT
Quite, a bigger majority than the Tories currently have. Hence I am querying Fairsociety's assertion that Labour can only form a coalition. I'm not sure he/she understands what the polls are telling them or how they have come to that conclusion.
Im also chuckling at the thread title. It wasn't even a straw to clutch!
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 24, 2022 7:31:53 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 24, 2022 9:05:50 GMT
Thats some bashing on the torries by the tradition conservitve supporting paper |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 11:28:26 GMT
Thats some bashing on the torries by the tradition conservitve supporting paper Well as the paper points out, conservatives currently have nobody to vote for: The present moment is very different: the Tories are well to the Left of New Labour on many issues, and the country is drifting towards bureaucratic welfarism, wokery and stagnation. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2022 14:44:13 GMT
Pacifico, Could you just clarify for me when exactly you felt that the Conservatives were "more conservative" than they are now and hence gave people with right wing views someone to vote for. Truss for a few days maybe, but apart from that. Johnson? May? Cameron? Major? Heath? Or is it just the Thatcherite largely mythical right wing age that you yearn for? Is it really that the Conservatives have left you to the left or you have left them to the right?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 18:13:02 GMT
Pacifico, Could you just clarify for me when exactly you felt that the Conservatives were "more conservative" than they are now and hence gave people with right wing views someone to vote for. Truss for a few days maybe, but apart from that. Johnson? May? Cameron? Major? Heath? Or is it just the Thatcherite largely mythical right wing age that you yearn for? Is it really that the Conservatives have left you to the left or you have left them to the right? Truss was certainly advocating more conservative policies - prior to that then you would need to go back to Thatcher. As to what I yearn for, I dont support the Tories. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 24, 2022 22:36:35 GMT
So in your view Conservatives haven’t had anyone to vote for for thirty years yet non Conservatives have voted successive Conservatives into Government. If you believe the polls , as soon as what you see as a Conservative took charge of the Conservatives, large numbers of Conservatives stopped supporting the Conservatives.
Perhaps people you describe as Conservatives are not conservative at all.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 25, 2022 7:43:00 GMT
So in your view Conservatives haven’t had anyone to vote for for thirty years yet non Conservatives have voted successive Conservatives into Government. If you believe the polls , as soon as what you see as a Conservative took charge of the Conservatives, large numbers of Conservatives stopped supporting the Conservatives. Perhaps people you describe as Conservatives are not conservative at all. I admire your view that 'real' conservatives vote for the highest tax burden since WW2 and the highest public spending in 30 years. Perhaps your view of what a conservative is needs reassessing? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 26, 2022 12:52:50 GMT
Whilst I accept that Boris was economically more centrist than some of the party (witnessed by what happened with Truss), that doesn't really answer the question over who Conservative voters voted for, given that they overwhelmingly voted for Boris both in his leadership election and the general election in 2019?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 26, 2022 17:51:04 GMT
Whilst I accept that Boris was economically more centrist than some of the party (witnessed by what happened with Truss), that doesn't really answer the question over who Conservative voters voted for, given that they overwhelmingly voted for Boris both in his leadership election and the general election in 2019? Well as a Labour supporter you must surely be acutely aware that people make all sorts of promises to get elected but fail to deliver when in power..  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Nov 26, 2022 20:34:49 GMT
Whilst I accept that Boris was economically more centrist than some of the party (witnessed by what happened with Truss), that doesn't really answer the question over who Conservative voters voted for, given that they overwhelmingly voted for Boris both in his leadership election and the general election in 2019? I think the point here is surely the tories haven’t been the party of SMALL business even in the pandemic, but for a considerable time prior. To actively pursue and maintain a tax system where a person cannot legally work a full time job without being enmeshed in the tax system, flooding the tax collection process with the details and affairs of the most mentally employed, is madness. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 26, 2022 20:42:49 GMT
Whilst I accept that Boris was economically more centrist than some of the party (witnessed by what happened with Truss), that doesn't really answer the question over who Conservative voters voted for, given that they overwhelmingly voted for Boris both in his leadership election and the general election in 2019? Well as a Labour supporter you must surely be acutely aware that people make all sorts of promises to get elected but fail to deliver when in power.. I'm not a Labour supporter? 🤷 |
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