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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 21:58:01 GMT
As a Labour supporter and voter, I do not see anything to worry about at all The recent record leads by Labour in the polls were down to the summer of chaos, followed by the disastrous short premiership of Liz Truss and the appaling mini budget of Kwasi Kwarteng. But lets face it ... the Tories have been behind in the polls for the whole of 2022, not ahead of Labour once, and with the most recent poll ( 31st October / Opinioum ) putting Labour 16 points ahead, the Tories have all the work to do. So, with a terrible Financial Statement ahead, more cuts, more austerity, tax rises, more pay cuts for the public sector, a looming recession, high inflation, a continuing energy and cost of living crisis, I feel sure the Tories will have it all sewn up .... NOT. Over taxing the wealthy would just make them pull up stakes and leave. So where exactly would that leave the under privileged whoes lively hood departed with them? For that matter where would it leave our country? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2022 22:14:25 GMT
The Chancellor of a FAIR and progressive government would ensure that the biggest burdon would go to the wealthiest, and the least well off in society should contribute either the least, or not at all. That is exactly what happens now - so a Labour Government would just do more of the same. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 22:32:16 GMT
The Chancellor of a FAIR and progressive government would ensure that the biggest burdon would go to the wealthiest, and the least well off in society should contribute either the least, or not at all. The Tories always hit the least well off - as they did with The Bedroom Tax, hitting hard WORKING people on low pay, or by taking the Educational Maintainence Allowance off low paid families, or by taking Housing Benefit off young people on low incomes. Re-evaluating the Council Tax Bands would be a good start, introduce The Mansion Tax A significant 689,189 residential properties in Great Britain are now worth more than £1 million – the equivalent to one in 42 homes, or 2.4 per cent of all housing stock. The number of £1 million homes is up 22 per cent or +125,928 since the end of 2020 Much depends on why the wealthy are wealthy and why the least well off are the least well off. A couple of anecdotes may help, I know a chap who borrowed from his employer to pay his rent for the week, once he had the cash advance he blew the lot on a night out. I know another chap who did not go out, worked regularly, accepted overtime and paid off his own large house by the time he was 40. I am not saying this is all but there is a large level of personal responsibility involved as regards relative wealth. As regards house prices it may be just good fortune that a hardworking, and relatively not well off retired couple live in a house in London, or other such areas that have seen a large rise in prices. They have paper wealth but no real wealth and a mansion tax would force them to move. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 1, 2022 22:54:23 GMT
Must be awful for Labour to only have a 23 point lead ...... Inevitable that some of the "god truss is awful" extreme poll effect unravels - I would be amazed if it stays much above 10%. Feels to me the Tories will be disappointed that the Sunak bounce hasn't been more pronounced. Maybe it will be over time. Sunak has been PM for five minutes, and the Labour lead is dwindling by the day. The election isn't for two years, lol. Starmer is toast. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 23:00:47 GMT
The Chancellor of a FAIR and progressive government would ensure that the biggest burdon would go to the wealthiest, and the least well off in society should contribute either the least, or not at all. The Tories always hit the least well off - as they did with The Bedroom Tax, hitting hard WORKING people on low pay, or by taking the Educational Maintainence Allowance off low paid families, or by taking Housing Benefit off young people on low incomes. Re-evaluating the Council Tax Bands would be a good start, introduce The Mansion Tax A significant 689,189 residential properties in Great Britain are now worth more than £1 million – the equivalent to one in 42 homes, or 2.4 per cent of all housing stock. The number of £1 million homes is up 22 per cent or +125,928 since the end of 2020 Much depends on why the wealthy are wealthy and why the least well off are the least well off. A couple of anecdotes may help, I know a chap who borrowed from his employer to pay his rent for the week, once he had the cash advance he blew the lot on a night out. I know another chap who did not go out, worked regularly, accepted overtime and paid off his own large house by the time he was 40. I am not saying this is all but there is a large level of personal responsibility involved as regards relative wealth. As regards house prices it may be just good fortune that a hardworking, and relatively not well off retired couple live in a house in London, or other such areas that have seen a large rise in prices. They have paper wealth but no real wealth and a mansion tax would force them to move. If you took all the wealth from the UK and distributed it evenly to every individual in the UK whithin a short period of time there would be the wealthy and the poor for the exact reasons you have stated. |
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Post by brexitcrusader83 on Nov 1, 2022 23:02:51 GMT
You di realise that would still give Starmer a 200+ stonking majority right ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 10:30:15 GMT
jonsky >> "Over taxing the wealthy would just make them pull up stakes and leave. So where exactly would that leave the under privileged whoes lively hood departed with them? For that matter where would it leave our country?"I have heard this argument before, its rather like the argument the Tories used when they opposed the introduction of The National Minimum Wage ... that it would make businesses bankrupt and cause unemployment. Tories, and their supporters always seem to have what they believe are "valid reasons" for opposing measures to help and protect the least well off in society. I suppose you think that imposing a 2% pay cap on public sector workers is a better idea ?, bearing in mind that food inflation is currently almost 12% - a real terms cut in pay. Cost-of-living crisis: Hospital to offer food parcels for NHS staff www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-63477522
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 11:37:20 GMT
I have heard this argument before, Possibly from someone old enough to remember the last time we tried it and ended up with a massive problem of the rich fleeing to offshore tax havens.. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2022 11:47:55 GMT
If public sector work deserve higher wages then everyone does.
Rising help wages fuel inflation .
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 2, 2022 23:58:16 GMT
Must be awful for Labour to only have a 23 point lead ...... Inevitable that some of the "god truss is awful" extreme poll effect unravels - I would be amazed if it stays much above 10%. Feels to me the Tories will be disappointed that the Sunak bounce hasn't been more pronounced. Maybe it will be over time. Sunak has been PM for five minutes, and the Labour lead is dwindling by the day. The election isn't for two years, lol. Starmer is toast. That's a rather curious post. You've spent the last few months declaring that polls are pointless as the GE is (probably) 2 years away. You then use a poll showing a clear Labour lead that you interpret as "Starmer is toast". Bit bizarre. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 3, 2022 0:03:30 GMT
The bedroom tax had a function outside of taxing people for the amount of bedrooms they had in their council houses iirc. In principle , is it right that people who have more bedrooms that they need ( in council houses) and block families that need the extra bedrooms? Yes, that was the thinking. The problem in the operation though was that we have a shortage of 2 bed and (particularly) 1 bed properties in council / housing association stock for these people to move to, so it punished people essentially for government decisions years back to dwindle the stock. If the tax (actually, it isn't a tax, it's a reduction in housing benefit) was applied to those who had rejected this downsizing, that would be fair, to apply it to those who are unable to through no fault of their own does seem particularly unfair. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 0:41:16 GMT
The Bedroom Tax - was a Tory rule change which particulrly hit WORKING people on low incomes, the stupid idea was that a couple living in a two bedroom home should live in a one bedroom home, or two people + 1 child living in a three bedroom home should live in a two bedroom home.
The problem - was that (A) moving home was a huge cost to such people, and (B) there was not the appropriate homes available.
It was an extra cost and burdon on the least well off in society - most often working people
meanwhile, huge multi-national businesses and conglomorates were paying little or no taxes due to clever accounting and loopholes.
The Bedroom Tax is not actually a tax, but its typical of the Conservatives to take from hard worrking, ordinary people, instead of targeting the super wealthy and those with mega profits.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 3, 2022 4:27:43 GMT
The so called council tax is unworkable its led to thousands being made homeless.
Made thousands displaced from there local areas .has them who left there property had to move because there was no , local housing for them to move into.
It didn't effect Them who are the biggest dwellers in underoccupied homes OAP because they are exempt from bedroom tax
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 3, 2022 7:58:42 GMT
Sunak has been PM for five minutes, and the Labour lead is dwindling by the day. The election isn't for two years, lol. Starmer is toast. That's a rather curious post. You've spent the last few months declaring that polls are pointless as the GE is (probably) 2 years away. You then use a poll showing a clear Labour lead that you interpret as "Starmer is toast". Bit bizarre. Unless an election is imminent polls are rather pointless, aren't they? In two years time will anyone be looking back to the polls from two years ago? I wouldn't have thought so. However, I do think it's worth mentioning that even though Sunak has been PM for five minutes, Starmers lead in the polls is already slipping. This must be annoying for you.  |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 3, 2022 8:03:49 GMT
If you need to keep telling yourself that the Tories are marching towards an inevitable triumph, crack on. No harm done. Reality is three years ago, few if anyone would believe that by now Labour would have a 20 point plus lead in the polls. Will that change before the next election - who knows. At the moment Labour are around 1/3 in the betting to lead the government after the next election. That feels about right to me. If you feel it is wrong, put your money where your mouth is. Labour couldn't win a game of snap with someone who stuttered.  |
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