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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 7:39:18 GMT
Except that she said, "You remind me of my Lesbian Nana", which did not disrespect anyone at all, did it? Even if she had directly called her a lesbian, how is that a sign of disrespect in today's Britain where they have a "Pride" event every day? “You remind me of my homosexual uncle “. Get pissed , make yourself a nuisance and tell the copper that who puts you in the van . Of course it was an insult. Adultery is quite legal. Tell the next copper that pulls you up for speeding that you might have shagged his wife . Now you are being silly, Bentley. You need to realise why they let her go without any action. Because they messed up. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 8:17:08 GMT
“You remind me of my homosexual uncle “. Get pissed , make yourself a nuisance and tell the copper that who puts you in the van . Of course it was an insult. Adultery is quite legal. Tell the next copper that pulls you up for speeding that you might have shagged his wife . Now you are being silly, Bentley. You need to realise why they let her go without any action. Because they messed up. Nope, you are being silly .They didn’t mess up. She got exactly what she deserved . Instead of wringing your hands over her treatment , you should be congratulating the police . |
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2023 8:25:45 GMT
Now you are being silly, Bentley. You need to realise why they let her go without any action. Because they messed up. Nope, you are being silly .They didn’t mess up. She got exactly what she deserved . Instead of wringing your hands over her treatment , you should be congratulating the police . No crime was committed and so the whole issue is a matter of judgment... ie was it worth 'putting the brighteners' on this girl in this case, that is, does it serve any social value at all? If no, then the action was the result of bad judgment. I should add, there are cases that are similar where i would be on the other side. An offhand personal (lippy) comment by a sixteen year girl old doesn't usually warrant an arrest. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 17, 2023 8:25:52 GMT
I'm pro cop, no honestly I am, but I do wonder how often this sort of thing happens. Lets face it, the only reason no further action was taken and the assistant chief constable made a public statement was because the girls mother recorded everything. I'm willing to bet the police officers involved in this incident are not very popular with their Sgt or Inspector right now. You say that but in this perverse, woke world I wonder how many officers would be scared not to act when there's a possible suggestion of racism or homophobia.
So they arrest an autistic 16 year old because they don't want to be accused of ignoring homophobia.
Regarding this particular incident, if the police had walked away as I'm sure they now wish they had, no one would have been any the wiser. Generally speaking, I think more people, thin skinned woke types (imo) are willing to complain about alleged 'offence' these days because they know the police will treat it seriously, which is mad when you consider that causing offence is not a crime. As appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley said... ...Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating the contentious the eccentric the heretical the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 8:37:43 GMT
Nope, you are being silly .They didn’t mess up. She got exactly what she deserved . Instead of wringing your hands over her treatment , you should be congratulating the police . No crime was committed and so the whole issue is a matter of judgment... ie was it worth 'putting the brighteners' on this girl in this case, that is, does it serve any social value at all? If no, then the action was the result of bad judgment. I should add, there are cases that are similar where i would be on the other side. An offhand personal (lippy) comment by a sixteen year girl old doesn't usually warrant an arrest. I think it has a great deal of social value if society gives a shit enough to look. A girl gets pissed . Her family call the police . The police take her home . The girl displays contempt and insults the police officer . The girl is arrested . The girl resists. The police overpowers her. The girl gets a lesson in life . The problem is that it didn’t end there . The family that called the police whine that the police were too harsh because the kid that they couldn’t handle was arrested ( because of her own fault) . The magic word ‘ autistic’ was used as an excuse for self entitlement. The public start to cluck about police overreacting when they should be supporting them. No doubt the family will be looking for some compo . As I say , try this . Get pissed , fall about in the street and tell the officer that scrapes you up that he looks like your homosexual uncle . Let me know how it goes . |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 8:44:26 GMT
You say that but in this perverse, woke world I wonder how many officers would be scared not to act when there's a possible suggestion of racism or homophobia.
So they arrest an autistic 16 year old because they don't want to be accused of ignoring homophobia.
Regarding this particular incident, if the police had walked away as I'm sure they now wish they had, no one would have been any the wiser. Generally speaking, I think more people, thin skinned woke types (imo) are willing to complain about alleged 'offence' these days because they know the police will treat it seriously, which is mad when you consider that causing offence is not a crime. As appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley said... ...Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating the contentious the eccentric the heretical the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having. Would the MP that didn’t ignore the drunken squaddie that called him a queer be a thin skinned woke type? Homosexuals call themselves queer nowadays so it can’t be offensive . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 17, 2023 8:46:49 GMT
You say that but in this perverse, woke world I wonder how many officers would be scared not to act when there's a possible suggestion of racism or homophobia.
So they arrest an autistic 16 year old because they don't want to be accused of ignoring homophobia.
Regarding this particular incident, if the police had walked away as I'm sure they now wish they had, no one would have been any the wiser. Generally speaking, I think more people, thin skinned woke types (imo) are willing to complain about alleged 'offence' these days because they know the police will treat it seriously, which is mad when you consider that causing offence is not a crime. As appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley said... ...Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating the contentious the eccentric the heretical the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having. I agree.
But sadly that's not the climate we live in. If one officer accuses another of not dealing with a racist/homophobic/etc incident correctly then the accused's career is over.
Far easier to drag in an autistic 16 year old than be accused of that.
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2023 9:29:22 GMT
Regarding this particular incident, if the police had walked away as I'm sure they now wish they had, no one would have been any the wiser. Generally speaking, I think more people, thin skinned woke types (imo) are willing to complain about alleged 'offence' these days because they know the police will treat it seriously, which is mad when you consider that causing offence is not a crime. As appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley said... ...Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating the contentious the eccentric the heretical the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having. I agree.
But sadly that's not the climate we live in. If one officer accuses another of not dealing with a racist/homophobic/etc incident correctly then the accused's career is over.
Far easier to drag in an autistic 16 year old than be accused of that.
There is lot of social issues that are highlighted by this case Firstly, the girl was lippy and did show unwarranted disrespect. The functional response to this should have been a 'clip around the ear' type thing with a stern warning and the mother standing behind the policeman telling the child to listen and apologise to the lady. If we rewind to the fifties, this sort of action would have been likely supported fully by society. Modern social mores would never support such an unofficial solution, so we are presented with the bizarre spectacle of a lippy child being arrested in what looks like some desperate powerplay with a teenager. It's all circling the drain. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 17, 2023 10:58:09 GMT
I don't disagree with the above responses but, yes there was always going to be a but, I'm sure you would agree the police are less than consistent.
For example; I recently watched one of the many 'docu type' police programmes on TV. The police, in Derbyshire if memory serves, were in hot pursuit of a van which refused to stop. After a short chase the van careered into a pikey caravan site, the pursuing police cars (x2) stopped at the gates, within minutes a third police car was on the scene. Six coppers and they were seemingly frightened to enter a pikey caravan site. After much discussion they drove away, and embarrassingly this was on TV. Yet I have every confidence those same coppers would frog march someone who didn't pose a threat off to the nick in handcuffs for allegedly causing someone anxiety on Twitter.
I'm sure not all coppers are woke social justice warriors, but the problem is, many are.
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2023 11:33:45 GMT
I don't disagree with the above responses but, yes there was always going to be a but, I'm sure you would agree the police are less than consistent. For example; I recently watched one of the many 'docu type' police programmes on TV. The police, in Derbyshire if memory serves, were in hot pursuit of a van which refused to stop. After a short chase the van careered into a pikey caravan site, the pursuing police cars (x2) stopped at the gates, within minutes a third police car was on the scene. Six coppers and they were seemingly frightened to enter a pikey caravan site. After much discussion they drove away, and embarrassingly this was on TV. Yet I have every confidence those same coppers would frog march someone who didn't pose a threat off to the nick in handcuffs for allegedly causing someone anxiety on Twitter. I'm sure not all coppers are woke social justice warriors, but the problem is, many are. Which is the exact recipe for 'anarcho tyranny' Ie - the authorities won't deal with criminality because doing so is difficult, but are happy to harass law abiding people for non-crimes, because that's easy and cheap. There is a complicating factor here though - let's say the police go in to one of these places, meet resistance and properly top the force (which i would call their proper job), do they all get sacked when the results of the 'inquiry' finds they acted inappropriately? Wil the public back these officers and alternately sack the greasy pole experts running the inquiry? A related question - what are the police to do when the public instructs them to work in 'co-operation and sensitivity' with groups who ostensibly amount to criminal gangs? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 11:42:35 GMT
Now you are being silly, Bentley. You need to realise why they let her go without any action. Because they messed up. Nope, you are being silly .They didn’t mess up. She got exactly what she deserved . Instead of wringing your hands over her treatment , you should be congratulating the police . Are you backing up the police for making an unlawful arrest when the girl was in her own home? Sure sounds like it. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 12:00:14 GMT
Nope, you are being silly .They didn’t mess up. She got exactly what she deserved . Instead of wringing your hands over her treatment , you should be congratulating the police . Are you backing up the police for making an unlawful arrest when the girl was in her own home? Sure sounds like it. Why? Is it ok to make an unlawful arrest if it was outside her own home ? Sure looks like you haven’t read my posts . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 17, 2023 12:04:46 GMT
I don't disagree with the above responses but, yes there was always going to be a but, I'm sure you would agree the police are less than consistent. For example; I recently watched one of the many 'docu type' police programmes on TV. The police, in Derbyshire if memory serves, were in hot pursuit of a van which refused to stop. After a short chase the van careered into a pikey caravan site, the pursuing police cars (x2) stopped at the gates, within minutes a third police car was on the scene. Six coppers and they were seemingly frightened to enter a pikey caravan site. After much discussion they drove away, and embarrassingly this was on TV. Yet I have every confidence those same coppers would frog march someone who didn't pose a threat off to the nick in handcuffs for allegedly causing someone anxiety on Twitter. I'm sure not all coppers are woke social justice warriors, but the problem is, many are. I'd say most aren't. The problem is institutional: There is an institutional fear of being accused of racism or homophobia, regardless of the truth of the matter.
Never mind the police, that's the society we live in.
And that's why society gets the policing it deserves.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 12:06:50 GMT
I agree.
But sadly that's not the climate we live in. If one officer accuses another of not dealing with a racist/homophobic/etc incident correctly then the accused's career is over.
Far easier to drag in an autistic 16 year old than be accused of that.
There is lot of social issues that are highlighted by this case Firstly, the girl was lippy and did show unwarranted disrespect. The functional response to this should have been a 'clip around the ear' type thing with a stern warning and the mother standing behind the policeman telling the child to listen and apologise to the lady. If we rewind to the fifties, this sort of action would have been likely supported fully by society. Modern social mores would never support such an unofficial solution, so we are presented with the bizarre spectacle of a lippy child being arrested in what looks like some desperate powerplay with a teenager. It's all circling the drain. Exactly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 17, 2023 12:13:07 GMT
I don't disagree with the above responses but, yes there was always going to be a but, I'm sure you would agree the police are less than consistent. For example; I recently watched one of the many 'docu type' police programmes on TV. The police, in Derbyshire if memory serves, were in hot pursuit of a van which refused to stop. After a short chase the van careered into a pikey caravan site, the pursuing police cars (x2) stopped at the gates, within minutes a third police car was on the scene. Six coppers and they were seemingly frightened to enter a pikey caravan site. After much discussion they drove away, and embarrassingly this was on TV. Yet I have every confidence those same coppers would frog march someone who didn't pose a threat off to the nick in handcuffs for allegedly causing someone anxiety on Twitter. I'm sure not all coppers are woke social justice warriors, but the problem is, many are. Which is the exact recipe for 'anarcho tyranny' Ie - the authorities won't deal with criminality because doing so is difficult, but are happy to harass law abiding people for non-crimes, because that's easy and cheap. There is a complicating factor here though - let's say the police go in to one of these places, meet resistance and properly top the force (which i would call their proper job), do they all get sacked when the results of the 'inquiry' finds they acted inappropriately? Wil the public back these officers and alternately sack the greasy pole experts running the inquiry? A related question - what are the police to do when the public instructs them to work in 'co-operation and sensitivity' with groups who ostensibly amount to criminal gangs? You may be aware of a chap named Peter Bleksley, ex Met undercover detective, he's on the TV from time to time and talks a lot of common sense. I recently listened to him talking about this very subject, and he said the problems started with the introduction of the College of Policing who in his opinion should be scrapped, and police officers being recruited straight from university or 'Direct Entry Inspectors'. He was very critical of a system that allows graduates to join as inspectors and go through the ranks without ever being a beat officer, and I suspect few would disagree with him. If the public were asked via referendum, I know it would never happen but lets suppose, whether they wanted old fashioned common sense police, or modern day touchy feely sympathetic police, we both know what the result of that referendum would be. |
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