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Post by Handyman on Sept 22, 2023 15:21:04 GMT
Every journey by road will now take longer, which means non EV vehicles which the majority of people cannot afford will use more petrol and diesel and in the built areas with the 20mph restriction in force will be more congested
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 22, 2023 15:45:49 GMT
Well done JoG for flagging up some unintended consequences of this nonsense. They must be receiving a mountain of mail. Sympathy with your daughter.  I’m not convinced it is unintended. Plaid for a start hate her as that second job is in a welsh medium school. An Englishwoman working in their private sector. That’s unnerving. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 22, 2023 15:46:57 GMT
Every journey by road will now take longer, which means non EV vehicles which the majority of people cannot afford will use more petrol and diesel and in the built areas with the 20mph restriction in force will be more congested I think I understand your point (isn’t it EV’s that the majority of people cannot afford?), but round parts of London it’s the road closures that are causing congestion and increasing pollution. Using myself as an example, I can no longer drive SW directly to Kings Cross and into the City, but have to travel NE to Dalston before I can turn West along a narrow residential road and bus route to Newington Green, where I can pick up a road that’s about 500 metres from where I started out and then drive onward to St Pancras. This journey partly along streets originally designed for horse and cart, can add 30 to 40 minutes to what was a straightforward journey on roads fully adapted to motor traffic. I guess we’ll eventually get used to these various restrictions, but do all anti-traffic rules actually add to life and it’s enjoyment…? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 22, 2023 16:53:20 GMT
Every journey by road will now take longer, which means non EV vehicles which the majority of people cannot afford will use more petrol and diesel and in the built areas with the 20mph restriction in force will be more congested I think I understand your point (isn’t it EV’s that the majority of people cannot afford?), but round parts of London it’s the road closures that are causing congestion and increasing pollution. Using myself as an example, I can no longer drive SW directly to Kings Cross and into the City, but have to travel NE to Dalston before I can turn West along a narrow residential road and bus route to Newington Green, where I can pick up a road that’s about 500 metres from where I started out and then drive onward to St Pancras. This journey partly along streets originally designed for horse and cart, can add 30 to 40 minutes to what was a straightforward journey on roads fully adapted to motor traffic. I guess we’ll eventually get used to these various restrictions, but do all anti-traffic rules actually add to life and it’s enjoyment…? No. But they aren't designed to. They're about control. The pollution and congestion are designed in so that politicians can then offer a "Solution" to the problem that they just created. A "Solution" that of course necessitates more restriction and taxes on you.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 22, 2023 17:47:47 GMT
Every journey by road will now take longer, which means non EV vehicles which the majority of people cannot afford will use more petrol and diesel and in the built areas with the 20mph restriction in force will be more congested I think I understand your point (isn’t it EV’s that the majority of people cannot afford?), but round parts of London it’s the road closures that are causing congestion and increasing pollution. Using myself as an example, I can no longer drive SW directly to Kings Cross and into the City, but have to travel NE to Dalston before I can turn West along a narrow residential road and bus route to Newington Green, where I can pick up a road that’s about 500 metres from where I started out and then drive onward to St Pancras. This journey partly along streets originally designed for horse and cart, can add 30 to 40 minutes to what was a straightforward journey on roads fully adapted to motor traffic. I guess we’ll eventually get used to these various restrictions, but do all anti-traffic rules actually add to life and it’s enjoyment…? Thank you for pointing out my mistake, most people cannot afford EV vehicles |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 22, 2023 19:06:40 GMT
Well done JoG for flagging up some unintended consequences of this nonsense. They must be receiving a mountain of mail. Sympathy with your daughter. Amazingly i got a reply earlier this evening. My AM says ‘they were told the only changes to the bus timetable were to refkect low usage of the service’ I wrote back saying ‘as the Assembly Member for this constituency i would have expected you to make yourself aware of the consequences of your policy, and if you look on the newport bus website where they announce the changes they state categorically it is a direct result of having to drive at a speed two thirds of that they have achieved for the past century. I suspect Sarah has now seen why i have for the past three years tried to get her to stand for the council under the Independents Party ticket and she probably will now. Yes we have a party for independent councillors It was established when the labour dictatoress at the head of the labour group in Newport Council established a quorum requirement for a councillor to be heard in the plenary session. This was a move designed to silence a former labour councillor who resigned the whip over transport policy that was opposed by his constituents. He resigned the whip in order to criticise the council and unbelieveably the bitch in charge brought in a rule that only councillors who were part of a group of three or more could speak at the council meetings The Political Parties Elections And Referendums Act 2000 introduced the concept of a ‘local political party’ established for the purpose of uniting individuals in a local situation. It was fairly swiftly demonstrated that it ‘to provide elected members of an independent, nonaligned nature with a means to be grouped so as to form a quorum to defeat the attempted censorship of independent councillors by the Labour Party’ was a perfectly valid and legal mission statement, and the Electoral Commission approved the formation of the party on that badis. I presume the likes of RedRum will be deeply saddenned to hear the councillors whose words do not toe the dictatorial line have not been silenced as labour hoped. Tough shit. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 6:15:19 GMT
Why do people put their convenience against saving lives.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 8:24:18 GMT
Why do people put their convenience against saving lives. Why do SOME people set up narratives as straw men. Ah, so we can knock them down. I could say: "Why do people hate cars?" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 9:52:28 GMT
Why do people put their convenience against saving lives. Why do SOME people set up narratives as straw men. Ah, so we can knock them down. I could say: "Why do people hate cars?" We are discussing 20mph speed limit. It is evidential that lower speeds are safer. What has hating cars got to do with it? You do not understand the term straw man. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 10:10:24 GMT
Why do SOME people set up narratives as straw men. Ah, so we can knock them down. I could say: "Why do people hate cars?" We are discussing 20mph speed limit. It is evidential that lower speeds are safer. What has hating cars got to do with it? You do not understand the term straw man. Says the bloke who posted this straw man “Why do people put their convenience against saving lives.” and accuses the one pointing out the strawman of posting a strawman .😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 10:46:01 GMT
We are discussing 20mph speed limit. It is evidential that lower speeds are safer. What has hating cars got to do with it? You do not understand the term straw man. Says the bloke who posted this straw man “Why do people put their convenience against saving lives.” and accuses the one pointing out the strawman of posting a strawman .😁 That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask when other posters bemoan the 'fact' that travelling at 20mph will inconvenience them. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 10:56:31 GMT
Why do SOME people set up narratives as straw men. Ah, so we can knock them down. I could say: "Why do people hate cars?" We are discussing 20mph speed limit. It is evidential that lower speeds are safer. What has hating cars got to do with it? You do not understand the term straw man. I'm done with this topic. I've made my opinion known. 30 mph is a good compromise of risk benefit for most town locations, except near schools when 20mph should be considered. Over and out. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 11:44:59 GMT
Says the bloke who posted this straw man “Why do people put their convenience against saving lives.” and accuses the one pointing out the strawman of posting a strawman .😁 That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask when other posters bemoan the 'fact' that travelling at 20mph will inconvenience them. It was deliberately vague strawman . Then you accused the person who pointed it out of posting a strawman . |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 16:51:14 GMT
We are discussing 20mph speed limit. It is evidential that lower speeds are safer. What has hating cars got to do with it? You do not understand the term straw man. I'm done with this topic. I've made my opinion known. 30 mph is a good compromise of risk benefit for most town locations, except near schools when 20mph should be considered. Over and out. And stuff the kids because some people think it is more important not to be inconvenienced. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 16:53:14 GMT
That's a perfectly reasonable question to ask when other posters bemoan the 'fact' that travelling at 20mph will inconvenience them. It was deliberately vague strawman . Then you accused the person who pointed it out of posting a strawman . No it is not it is perfectly clear, some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save. |
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