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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 17:05:32 GMT
It was deliberately vague strawman . Then you accused the person who pointed it out of posting a strawman . No it is not it is perfectly clear, some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save. It’s not clear at all. You made a general statement that amounted to a strawman l
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Post by om15 on Sept 23, 2023 20:59:20 GMT
Have you any proper evidence (not some Guardian article written by a mad unwashed hag) that demonstrates 20 mph is safer than 30 mph, and any factual evidence to point out where an accident at 20 mph has saved a life which would be forfeit at 30 mph? Or not.
The Chinese are intent on destabilizing the USA and the UK, this is why the woke culture is indoctrinated among you lefties, Drakefords speed limits will delight Peking no end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 5:18:26 GMT
No it is not it is perfectly clear, some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save. It’s not clear at all. You made a general statement that amounted to a strawman l My statement still isn't clear? "Some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save". What is not clear about that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 5:25:00 GMT
Have you any proper evidence (not some Guardian article written by a mad unwashed hag) that demonstrates 20 mph is safer than 30 mph, and any factual evidence to point out where an accident at 20 mph has saved a life which would be forfeit at 30 mph? Or not. The Chinese are intent on destabilizing the USA and the UK, this is why the woke culture is indoctrinated among you lefties, Drakefords speed limits will delight Peking no end. Are you serious??? Of course getting hit at 20mph causes less damage than getting hit at 30mph, evidence is not required all though there is a wealth of it out there, look it up. Do you also need 'evidence' that when it rains you get wet? Or turning the volume up on your TV makes it louder? "force is proportional to acceleration", did you not go to school, basic physics.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 5:55:18 GMT
Have you any proper evidence (not some Guardian article written by a mad unwashed hag) that demonstrates 20 mph is safer than 30 mph, and any factual evidence to point out where an accident at 20 mph has saved a life which would be forfeit at 30 mph? Or not. The Chinese are intent on destabilizing the USA and the UK, this is why the woke culture is indoctrinated among you lefties, Drakefords speed limits will delight Peking no end. Are you serious??? Of course getting hit at 20mph causes less damage than getting hit at 30mph, evidence is not required all though there is a wealth of it out there, look it up. Do you also need 'evidence' that when it rains you get wet? Or turning the volume up on your TV makes it louder? "force is proportional to acceleration", did you not go to school, basic physics. So no proper evidence then rr..We all know the rules of inertia but you don't apparently would you rather be hit with a push bike doing 20MPH or a 20 ton truck doing the same speed.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 24, 2023 6:06:35 GMT
Why do people put their convenience against saving lives. Why do some people not understand that road deaths have fallen that it is inconvenient as JOG has demonstrated that his daughter will be unable to support herself and child because of idiocy designed to thumb their collective nose at the national govt. If you look the greatest number of road deaths are caused by alcohol and drugs and is most prevalent amongst young drivers you know the ones you deem so able at an even younger age to be mature and knowledgeable enough to make political decisions and vote.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 7:32:18 GMT
Are you serious??? Of course getting hit at 20mph causes less damage than getting hit at 30mph, evidence is not required all though there is a wealth of it out there, look it up. Do you also need 'evidence' that when it rains you get wet? Or turning the volume up on your TV makes it louder? "force is proportional to acceleration", did you not go to school, basic physics. So no proper evidence then rr..We all know the rules of inertia but you don't apparently would you rather be hit with a push bike doing 20MPH or a 20 ton truck doing the same speed. What evidence do you need? If I open a door with a slight push it opens slowly, if I open a door with a hard push it open quickly, God this is basic KS2 stuff. The higher the speed a vehicle travels, the greater the likelihood of serious injury or death if there is a crash. The risk of injury increases exponentially with impact speed. A crash at 30mph involves a lot more energy and destructive potential than a crash at 20mph. The greater the force an object is hit by the more damage it receives. Read up on Newton's laws, he agrees with me.
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Post by Equivocal on Sept 24, 2023 8:00:22 GMT
I think if local authorities applied the limits sensibly, there would be little cause for complaint. It remains to be seen, but my experience to date suggests it's going to be something of a dog's breakfast.
On Monday I travelled a route that was clearly signed between 20, 30 and 40 MPH. It was a journey I used to make quite regularly when we moved here some 17 years ago. It was then a 40 and 60 MPH limited route which had regular accidents and several fatalities. Frankly, I was quite surprised to find it clearly signed and with sensible limits.
On Tuesday I made my regular weekly visit to our local office (same LA). Once off the single or semi single track roads and through the local village, where doing more than 20 is virtually impossible, there is a four or five mile link to the dual carriageway. While the road is two laned, it's wide enough to be a dual, with a wide grass verge separating the road from pedestrians, houses and businesses. Incredibly, this stretch had been reclassified to a 20 MPH limit and, if tailgating is a measure of driver frustration, I'd say there were many frustrated drivers. I'd suggest that frustrated drivers lead to accidents and accidents to injury.
As JOG said earlier, there are places where the 20 limit is appropriate, but unless local authorities take action to get the 20 limits right, the result in terms of accidents and injury may the opposite of that expected.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 8:28:44 GMT
It’s not clear at all. You made a general statement that amounted to a strawman l My statement still isn't clear? "Some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save". What is not clear about that? That wasn’t the strawman you moron . Go back and look at previous posts .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 8:50:07 GMT
My statement still isn't clear? "Some people think their convenience to drive at 30mph in built up areas is more important than the lives 20mph 'will' save". What is not clear about that? That wasn’t the strawman you moron . Go back and look at previous posts . Nope.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 8:51:05 GMT
That wasn’t the strawman you moron . Go back and look at previous posts . Nope. Then you will be the only one that is ignorant of your idiocy . Sounds about right .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 9:39:45 GMT
Then you will be the only one that is ignorant of your idiocy . Sounds about right . You are the one that is ignorant of what is being said and then makes things up to cover your stupidity.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 11:06:10 GMT
So no proper evidence then rr..We all know the rules of inertia but you don't apparently would you rather be hit with a push bike doing 20MPH or a 20 ton truck doing the same speed. What evidence do you need? If I open a door with a slight push it opens slowly, if I open a door with a hard push it open quickly, God this is basic KS2 stuff. The higher the speed a vehicle travels, the greater the likelihood of serious injury or death if there is a crash. The risk of injury increases exponentially with impact speed. A crash at 30mph involves a lot more energy and destructive potential than a crash at 20mph. The greater the force an object is hit by the more damage it receives. Read up on Newton's laws, he agrees with me. You have been asked by another poster to furnish proof that this 20 MPH limit has saved ANY lives. So far all we have received is your usual bluster and strawmen. And don't preach to me about newtons law I fully understand it. And even Newton made mistakes.
EDIT......When Did Isaac Newton Finally Fail?
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 15:15:11 GMT
Then you will be the only one that is ignorant of your idiocy . Sounds about right . You are the one that is ignorant of what is being said and then makes things up to cover your stupidity. Perfect projection from you . That is exactly what you have been doing .
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 15:21:45 GMT
What evidence do you need? If I open a door with a slight push it opens slowly, if I open a door with a hard push it open quickly, God this is basic KS2 stuff. The higher the speed a vehicle travels, the greater the likelihood of serious injury or death if there is a crash. The risk of injury increases exponentially with impact speed. A crash at 30mph involves a lot more energy and destructive potential than a crash at 20mph. The greater the force an object is hit by the more damage it receives. Read up on Newton's laws, he agrees with me. You have been asked by another poster to furnish proof that this 20 MPH limit has saved ANY lives. So far all we have received is your usual bluster and strawmen. And don't preach to me about newtons law I fully understand it. And even Newton made mistakes.
EDIT......When Did Isaac Newton Finally Fail?
He is posting inane garbage . I pointed out that using his logic would mean that we should reduce speed limits to 5 mph . He then realised his idiocy and posted waffle . If a road has crossings and pedestrians can have a clear view of oncoming traffic then 30mph is slow enough. There is a good reason why there has been a 30mph limit on built up areas for decades . It’s because there wasnt as many perma adolescent lefties who insist on tinkering where it isn’t needed.
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