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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 9:17:38 GMT
Morning Bubbles.
You dont rhink blacklisting opposition opinion in meetings is contrary to restricting freedom of speech?
I call it Putinesque.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 10:02:37 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 7, 2023 10:39:07 GMT
Morning Bubbles. You dont rhink blacklisting opposition opinion in meetings is contrary to restricting freedom of speech? I call it Putinesque. How very dare you even utter the word 'blacklisting' you nasty far right racist. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2023 10:48:17 GMT
So, your view is that do have a special right to be used as consultants I guess that's where we disagree. In general i suspect this whole 'consultant' nonsense should be largely knocked on the head To continue. "First they came for the environmentalists and I didnt care because i am not an environmentalist". When they come for brexit idiots, should i not care because they are stupid and i d9nt agree xith 5hem? I confess i have a very different view of this to you. I think a government is elected to run a country, rather than listen closely to various vested interests, pressure groups and self-appointed 'stake-holders' . Your formula above doesn't work because the government already don't listen to me. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 11:03:25 GMT
To continue. "First they came for the environmentalists and I didnt care because i am not an environmentalist". When they come for brexit idiots, should i not care because they are stupid and i d9nt agree xith 5hem? I confess i have a very different view of this to you. I think a government is elected to run a country, rather than listen closely to various vested interests, pressure groups and self-appointed 'stake-holders' . Your formula above doesn't work because the government already don't listen to me. I find this one of the more depressing posts of this year. If those who have specific intetests contrary to the working government, the only way to call attention to them and put freedom of speech and publicity into practice is to form special interest groups. EVERY REVOLUTI0N HAS STARTED THIS WAY whether you personally like their message or not. Brexit started this way. Imagine the the uproar and screams of " removing freedom of speech" if Cameron had told UKIP to piss off and dont come to our meetings simply because they slowmarched through London. Or draped the roof of No 10 with a shredded EU flag. If you think eliminating conversation with those who dont agree with you is right, you are eliminating freedom od speech. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 11:36:04 GMT
Morning Bubbles. You dont rhink blacklisting opposition opinion in meetings is contrary to restricting freedom of speech? I call it Putinesque. How very dare you even utter the word 'blacklisting' you nasty far right racist. Sorry. I usually manage to keep my white under a bushel. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 7, 2023 13:26:16 GMT
I confess i have a very different view of this to you. I think a government is elected to run a country, rather than listen closely to various vested interests, pressure groups and self-appointed 'stake-holders' . Your formula above doesn't work because the government already don't listen to me. I find this one of the more depressing posts of this year. If those who have specific intetests contrary to the working government, the only way to call attention to them and put freedom of speech and publicity into practice is to form special interest groups. EVERY REVOLUTI0N HAS STARTED THIS WAY whether you personally like their message or not. Brexit started this way. Imagine the the uproar and screams of " removing freedom of speech" if Cameron had told UKIP to piss off and dont come to our meetings simply because they slowmarched through London. Or draped the roof of No 10 with a shredded EU flag. If you think eliminating conversation with those who dont agree with you is right, you are eliminating freedom od speech.
CamoBlair didn't hold a referendum out of respect for Freedom of Speech, he held it because he thought he'd win.
Otherwise he'd have no-platformed the Brexit movement without so much as a by-your-leave. And doubtless with your approval.
The only reason that you lefties are sore about this one is because it's you that's being no-platformed for a change.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 7, 2023 14:48:12 GMT
The attempt to gag Greenpeace from Gov ernment meetings happened AFTER rhe shrouding of the mansion. IOW cross me and you are boycotted.(cuz you embarrassed three security agencies). So much for freedom of speech. Your civil liberties are in severe trouble. Weird, I mentioned in a political debate on this the other day the Greenpiece should not be debated with by government. The following day this is what they did. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 14:49:09 GMT
I dont discuss guesses, suspicions and things that didt happen.
My namz is not Alice and i do not live in Wonderland.
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2023 15:06:57 GMT
I confess i have a very different view of this to you. I think a government is elected to run a country, rather than listen closely to various vested interests, pressure groups and self-appointed 'stake-holders' . Your formula above doesn't work because the government already don't listen to me. I find this one of the more depressing posts of this year. If those who have specific intetests contrary to the working government, the only way to call attention to them and put freedom of speech and publicity into practice is to form special interest groups. EVERY REVOLUTI0N HAS STARTED THIS WAY whether you personally like their message or not. Brexit started this way. Imagine the the uproar and screams of " removing freedom of speech" if Cameron had told UKIP to piss off and dont come to our meetings simply because they slowmarched through London. Or draped the roof of No 10 with a shredded EU flag. If you think eliminating conversation with those who dont agree with you is right, you are eliminating freedom od speech. Can't Green Peace just vote every four years like everyone else, or are they special people? I don't think i have ever been consulted by government |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 15:13:14 GMT
This is about advisory positions in government.
Greenpeace has spent MANY YEARS researching environmental issues and have often been consulted by all governments.
Greenpeace members vote every five years, just like everyone else. They dont have a single unified vote.
They dont stop traffic, climb bridges, prevent access or glue themselves to objects.
They are mature specialists.
Instead of fits of piquz anss zmbarrassment, the government should listen to them as helpful advisors.
Rhey can ignore the advice but disallowing them from meetings is not only childish but contrary to fundamental rights.
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2023 15:52:00 GMT
This is about advisory positions in government. Greenpeace has spent MANY YEARS researching environmental issues and have often been consulted by all governments. Greenpeace members vote every five years, just like everyone else. They dont have a single unified vote. Well clearly you do feel they are special people who deserve a seat at the governmental table. My follow up question is, who decides who these 'special people' are? Are (say) green-peace to be reserved their special position (above most of the electorate), regardless of the views of the electorate? Shouldn't their position be up to government (democracy) itself rather than being forced on government? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 22:22:16 GMT
This is about advisory positions in government. Greenpeace has spent MANY YEARS researching environmental issues and have often been consulted by all governments. Greenpeace members vote every five years, just like everyone else. They dont have a single unified vote. Well clearly you do feel they are special people who deserve a seat at the governmental table. My follow up question is, who decides who these 'special people' are? Are (say) green-peace to be reserved their special position (above most of the electorate), regardless of the views of the electorate? Shouldn't their position be up to government (democracy) itself rather than being forced on government? Well over 40 years of research tops most of the "specialists" who are elevated to the House of Lords. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 7, 2023 22:30:28 GMT
Well clearly you do feel they are special people who deserve a seat at the governmental table. My follow up question is, who decides who these 'special people' are? Are (say) green-peace to be reserved their special position (above most of the electorate), regardless of the views of the electorate? Shouldn't their position be up to government (democracy) itself rather than being forced on government? Well over 40 years of research tops most of the "specialists" who are elevated to the House of Lords. If the case is so good, they should run for election. I see no good argument for special positions for crackpots justified by 'forty years of research' |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 8, 2023 6:00:04 GMT
Well over 40 years of research tops most of the "specialists" who are elevated to the House of Lords. If the case is so good, they should run for election. I see no good argument for special positions for crackpots justified by 'forty years of research' You dont see any value in 40 years of research but suppport 800 appointed people who can actually affect legislation and who are paid for signing in and going home? You have a very odd idea of valuable contribution. |
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