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Post by Orac on Aug 6, 2023 10:40:52 GMT
Greenpeace have a special right to be used as consultants? The government don't consult me. There are many consultants. You dont count. Now are you going to discuss rhe subject or not? So, your view is that do have a special right to be used as consultants I guess that's where we disagree. In general i suspect this whole 'consultant' nonsense should be largely knocked on the head |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 6, 2023 11:44:03 GMT
So a few Greenpeace members embarrassed three security foeces, climbed onto the roof of the PM's house when he was away and draped it in black. 😆 I love it. Now out of that same embarrassment and jackbooting of opinion, Greenpeace has been gagged in government meetings. Mind you i doubt anyone listened to them anyway. Government didnt like to be opposed. But frankly this is yet another example of the decay of freedom of speech. Achtung! You will obey and not disagree. There vill be consequences. If you are as concerned about beaurocratic control as you say you are re the EU, you should look to your own example. No one elected this Tory government. Yet they are totally deaf. Their mouths move in mysterious ways but they are stone deaf to all except those with the deepest pockets. LOL superb, one of your best rants yet. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 14:18:47 GMT
You just are utterly incapable of seeing what is happening in your own world. It isnt worth trying to discuss it wirh you. If and when ypu find the courage to take part in some active expression of something you believe in, and the government doesnt like it and refuses to talk to you, maybe, just maybe you will begin to feel you have lost one of your human rights. But i sincerely doubt it. People like you dont realise anything when it happens to someone else's freedoms. www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2023 14:24:13 GMT
The French government murder Greenpeace people and sink their ships in foreign harbours. Opération Satanique Fernando Pereira, a photographer was trapped and drowned in the sinking ship. The UK government have not been so extreme. Ffs that was 1985 about nuclear weapons. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior and if you dont approve, why are you not criticing your government for trying to silence their policies too? Because I don't disagree with our government's methods. I was merely pointing out that we haven't started bombing them yet. Like France did. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 15:28:14 GMT
There are many consultants. You dont count. Now are you going to discuss rhe subject or not? So, your view is that do have a special right to be used as consultants I guess that's where we disagree. In general i suspect this whole 'consultant' nonsense should be largely knocked on the head No. The only thing this unelected government os the sound of their echoos. They were ADVIS3D not to send c0bid victims back to nursing homes. They wete ADVISED not to do the eat out to help out idea will be a disaster . The one your unelected PM was bragging about this weekend. He said his idea proves ypu can trust him!! They were hugely embartassed by the stunt anf are acting like a child while alsoo prevnting freedom of speech in advisory meetings, refusing to listen to ideas they dont want to acknowledge. To continue. "First they came for the environmentalists and I didnt care because i am not an environmentalist". When they come for brexit idiots, should i not care because they are stupid and i d9nt agree xith 5hem? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 6, 2023 15:57:24 GMT
You just are utterly incapable of seeing what is happening in your own world. It isnt worth trying to discuss it wirh you. If and when ypu find the courage to take part in some active expression of something you believe in, and the government doesnt like it and refuses to talk to you, maybe, just maybe you will begin to feel you have lost one of your human rights. But i sincerely doubt it. People like you dont realise anything when it happens to someone else's freedoms. www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/Stop being so pathetically left wing and ffs man up (So to speak lol) there's a good girl. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 6, 2023 16:11:26 GMT
So, your view is that do have a special right to be used as consultants I guess that's where we disagree. In general i suspect this whole 'consultant' nonsense should be largely knocked on the head No. The only thing this unelected government os the sound of their echoos. They were ADVIS3D not to send c0bid victims back to nursing homes. They wete ADVISED not to do the eat out to help out idea will be a disaster . The one your unelected PM was bragging about this weekend. He said his idea proves ypu can trust him!! They were hugely embartassed by the stunt anf are acting like a child while alsoo prevnting freedom of speech in advisory meetings, refusing to listen to ideas they dont want to acknowledge. To continue. "First they came for the environmentalists and I didnt care because i am not an environmentalist". When they come for brexit idiots, should i not care because they are stupid and i d9nt agree xith 5hem? I just don't see why these extremists should have (need to have) the ear of government. Obviously, if we elect a government that wants to listen to them, then that's fine. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 16:15:02 GMT
Greenpeace has never been an extremist group.
Though if you are an extreme environmental "dont give a toss" berk, you might think so.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 16:18:03 GMT
You just are utterly incapable of seeing what is happening in your own world. It isnt worth trying to discuss it wirh you. If and when ypu find the courage to take part in some active expression of something you believe in, and the government doesnt like it and refuses to talk to you, maybe, just maybe you will begin to feel you have lost one of your human rights. But i sincerely doubt it. People like you dont realise anything when it happens to someone else's freedoms. www.hmd.org.uk/resource/first-they-came-by-pastor-martin-niemoller/Stop being so pathetically left wing and ffs man up (So to speak lol) there's a good girl. Oh shut up. I am not surprised you dont care that your unelected government doesnt listen to arguments from another point of view. You dont. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 6, 2023 16:25:01 GMT
Stop being so pathetically left wing and ffs man up (So to speak lol) there's a good girl. Oh shut up. I am not surprised you dont care that your unelected government doesnt listen to arguments from another point of view. You dont. Are you kidding? The government don't listen to me or the vast majority of people in this bloody country which is why we desperately need a proper centre right Conservative government. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 16:34:41 GMT
They are the ones who have fucked up the country for the last 16 years.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 16:35:23 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 6, 2023 16:52:33 GMT
They are the ones who have fucked up the country for the last 16 years. No you're wrong. Listen to what I'm saying. We haven't had a centre right Conservative government in this country since the 1980's, but never before have we needed one more than now. Btw, the Tories, whether left wing coalition or centrist, have been in power for the past 13 years, not 16 years. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 6, 2023 20:51:58 GMT
So what is the difference between z centre righr and a centre left government?
How would you differentiate your unelected government from a centre right government? Is it too far to the right ( whatever that means) or too far to the left ( whatever that means.)
For example Starmer today said he would retain the immigrant barges
and ex military barracks.
So is that centre left or centre right?
Sunak is resisting public pay increases and inheritance tax increase. Is that centre left or centre right?
Your politics are like a Rubik's Cube.
No one knows what any party stands for or what vision it has for the countr other thzn "mzke the uk great again".
Whatever THAT means too.
Like Brexit...lots of aspirational popular promises.
No results.
The UK is a mess. There is no vision, no plan, no direction and far too much division about 7 year old issues.
It is as if 5he only thing that ever happened to the UK was Brexit and that is fizzling out because there was no real leadership. Just Boris bullshit.
I have now asked three times what benefits Brexit has brought to the country.
Not jam tomorrow...where is the jam today?
See the world does not stop evolving att the point of June 2016.
It continues to have wars, disease, movement of people, smugglers of goods people and drugs, people being at the mercy of interest rates, environmental issues and people needing the NHS.
SO WHAT HAS BREXIT DONE TO HELP SOLVE ALL THOSE REAL PROBLEMS??
ZERO. NOTHING. IF ANYTHING IT HAS MADE THEM WORSE.
And you now have what you always had...not a democratic honest discussion but a society where if you express an innoffensive but public opinion contrary to the official line without hurting anyone, you get sanctioned. Your position is no longer valid.
Stop being the squaddie and start to think for yourself.
It is all a load of hooey and hurrah.
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 7, 2023 3:08:00 GMT
Another crazed rant from the immigrant in France.
A lobby group or consultancy group break the law by trespassing on private property of the person's house they want to be in the company of during government meetings, and the crazed immigrant in burning France claims this to be
the death of free speech.
I've heard it all now.
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