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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 12, 2023 6:42:16 GMT
It seems the left in general have an inability or unwillingness to consider the effects of numbers on the UK population. It has been like that to my recall since a pleasant April day in Birmingham in 1968. Only 100,000 have made the trip across the channel in 5 years THAT WE KNOW ABOUT
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 7:23:46 GMT
This is a pic of a Coastel, it was anchored in the Falklands just after the war. I never enjoyed it's luxuries, but my brother did, and I've seen his and other lads photos. The interior of that cess pit was horrendous, it housed an infantry battalion and assorted support troops for six months at a time. Due to the conditions and stress fights were common. My brother told me it absolutely stank inside because ventilation was crap and even in the winter some people preferred to sleep outside in their dos bags. But hey they were only soldiers, who gives a fuck On the other hand, I've seen the accommodation on that 'barge' in Portland, and it looks very comfortable, a gym, 24 hour dental and medical, phones and computers, TV lounges and transport into town on the hour every hour to give the criminals an opportunity to spend their pocket money. Of course there isn't a lefty out there who would argue that illegals and criminals should not have better accommodation that British soldiers, largely because they havent got a clue what they're talking about. The government will be trying to keep the details of this abomination quiet because it will make decent people quite angry. Lefties will love it. So by this i have to assume that RR who suggests he speaks for all those on his team, doesnt care that migrants were forced by threats to live in an environment that could kill them. He is cheered on by another who is happy to murder asylum seekers. And here the UK used to be proud of its compassion and efficiency. In other people's countries of course. The solution is simple. Make a law thay insists migrants are processed within 6 months. Like other countries do. But do turkeys vote for Xmas? Instead the govrnnment makes itself look ridiculous.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 7:27:38 GMT
A refugee should by requirement seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, if for some reason they don't receive it they are then free to try elsewhere. Me thinks there is a twisting of the law going on. So all those countries with a shoreline gets loaded with all the refugees. You are making countries sound like shopping malls.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 12, 2023 7:30:13 GMT
A refugee should by requirement seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, if for some reason they don't receive it they are then free to try elsewhere. Me thinks there is a twisting of the law going on. So all those countries with a shoreline gets loaded with all the refugees. You are making countries sound like shopping malls. I am just repeating international law. do you find that a problem?
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 7:38:07 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 7:38:47 GMT
Andrew - it's all about legal loopholes and exploitation of a system designed in a bygone era. That alone highlights the unethical forces at work, which, as we can see, is also used against the people of our country. Clearly there's no reasoning with the Labour Left, which makes the situation a lot worse. You may think that, I think it's more about global migration. The problem with some of the posters on here is that they think it's a UK issue here, someone even said that we were a laughing stock because of our failure to deal with migrants, which just shows the ignorance of what is actually happening. I don't have an issue with the barge as such, as long as it meets safety standards and it is only used short term. I'm not a Labour supporter, and although every debate on here just descends into left v right, it's actually not a helpful way of looking at things. People are more 3 dimensional than just one or t'other, but most of the threads on here are just about putting people in boxes and then calling them names, rather than debating the actual points. On your point about bygone era, I somewhat take the point and have no objection to the legislation being amended, as long as we remain within our international obligations. It's not clear for me across all these multiple threads what changes people actually want to see that would actually make the process easier. We have no obligation to become the trashcan of the globe.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 12, 2023 7:41:47 GMT
If for some reason they have been denied asylum in the first deemed safe country they reach, look it up it ain't rocket science.Which is exactly what I said, so the law is being manipulated. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2023 7:41:48 GMT
Barge was bought from a member state of the EU. Previous owner did such a "good" job of looking after it that there was Legionaires disease on board. But, we're sorting that.
Barges like this are common in the EU.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 7:44:54 GMT
Barge was bought from a member state of the EU. Previous owner did such a "good" job of looking after it that there was Legionaires disease on board. But, we're sorting that. Barges like this are common in the EU. So is Legeonaires disease mate. And the mindless in the UK still want to visit these countries.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 7:45:13 GMT
So by this i have to assume that RR who suggests he speaks for all those on his team, doesnt care that migrants were forced by threats to live in an environment that could kill them. He is cheered on by another who is happy to murder asylum seekers. And here the UK used to be proud of its compassion and efficiency. In other people's countries of course. The solution is simple. Make a law thay insists migrants are processed within 6 months. Like other countries do. But do turkeys vote for Xmas? Instead the govrnnment makes itself look ridiculous. I would have hoped that any illegals who felt so persecuted and endangered in this country might have had the decency to jump into the first dingy bound for the safety of France. And don't talk to me about compassion, it's long gone. I have nothing but contempt for criminals who throw away their documents and pay people smugglers to get them from one safe country to another.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 7:50:56 GMT
So by this i have to assume that RR who suggests he speaks for all those on his team, doesnt care that migrants were forced by threats to live in an environment that could kill them. He is cheered on by another who is happy to murder asylum seekers. And here the UK used to be proud of its compassion and efficiency. In other people's countries of course. The solution is simple. Make a law thay insists migrants are processed within 6 months. Like other countries do. But do turkeys vote for Xmas? Instead the govrnnment makes itself look ridiculous. I would have hoped that any illegals who felt so persecuted and endangered in this country might have had the decency to jump into the first dingy bound for the safety of France. And don't talk to me about compassion, it's long gone. I have nothing but contempt for criminals who throw away their documents and pay people smugglers to get them from one safe country to another. I wonder how many of the bleeding heart brigade have given this unwanted dross a roof over their heads. Just the normal virtual signallers wringing their hands as per usual.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 12, 2023 7:55:42 GMT
I would have hoped that any illegals who felt so persecuted and endangered in this country might have had the decency to jump into the first dingy bound for the safety of France. And don't talk to me about compassion, it's long gone. I have nothing but contempt for criminals who throw away their documents and pay people smugglers to get them from one safe country to another. I wonder how many of the bleeding heart brigade have given this unwanted dross a roof over their heads. Just the normal virtual signallers wringing their hands as per usual. I think you will find the majority of them are not British in any way shape or form, even when we supply them with accommodation which is better than many of our downtrodden get while we sort out who is who, they take great delight in it being scuppered. That isn't the British way and never has been.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2023 8:07:26 GMT
No it isn’t and you don’t want to answer. None who are in favour of the status quo are willing to answer a very simple and pertinent question. Do you not understand what an answer is or how a thread works? I understand only too well and how posters will twist turn and evade. I also understand that threads expand even drift from the original post it happens all the time and you have engaged in that yourself. I predict that were I to start a thread on the subject you’d ignore it as would other posters. I accept also that you are in a minority on here and perhaps post to reflect that fact as does Andrew and Zany though he has adopted a different tactic,nothing wrong with that,Srb post his view regardless of what anybody thinks so there we are and wouldn’t it be boring if we all thought the same. The only people I have little time for are the shouty you voted Brexit own it type. Anyway might just start that thread.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 12, 2023 8:51:19 GMT
In terms of the demographic they represent (mainly young men) and the locations they are going to then they will cause a social imbalance even if they are granted refugee status and go to live within the communities they choose. With no solution on any horizon then the numbers will only keep rising and the demographic is unlikely to change. With no solution to the wars and starvation they are apparently fleeing from it is clear that there is a sustainability issue for cost and cultural and social consequences that the left just will not consider. So at least recognise that there is a potential problem we are currently storing up for the future and now is the time to deal with it not 1,2 or even 5 years time. Most of us have reached and passed our acceptable limits, is there a limit in your, and others, view? You are assuming the 'young men' and there is a perfectly reasonable reason for a lot of them being young men, are all criminals instead of genuine refugees. I can assume that none of them are criminals and that all of them are genuine refugees and that would not alter what I said. An imbalance in gender demographics and a difference in cultural niceties is all grist to the mill of social division and tension. The left recognise a need for a cohesive society when it suits and ignore it when it does not. All the world has examples of tension and division based on ethnic groups as an endless thread through history perpetuated for generations. We can stand here and say Britain is a tolerant country but then if you change Britain in large degree you lose what it is.
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Post by Orac on Aug 12, 2023 9:28:42 GMT
It doesn't need to say it explicitly or outline any legal compulsion. Once you have escaped a dangerous country to safety, any special dispensation you might receive (under the convention) to breach a nation's borders to escape danger ends because you are not in danger. The only alternative to this would be that everyone has the arbitrary right to breach any nation's borders at any time and therefore there is no such thing as national borders. This is the communist interpretation of the refugee convention and it has nothing to do with reality. People arriving from a dangerous country into a safe one are not compelled to apply for asylum but they are subject to national borders like everyone else.
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