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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 1, 2023 2:48:27 GMT
This is a pic of a Coastel, it was anchored in the Falklands just after the war. I never enjoyed it's luxuries, but my brother did, and I've seen his and other lads photos. The interior of that cess pit was horrendous, it housed an infantry battalion and assorted support troops for six months at a time. Due to the conditions and stress fights were common. My brother told me it absolutely stank inside because ventilation was crap and even in the winter some people preferred to sleep outside in their dos bags. But hey they were only soldiers, who gives a fuck  On the other hand, I've seen the accommodation on that 'barge' in Portland, and it looks very comfortable, a gym, 24 hour dental and medical, phones and computers, TV lounges and transport into town on the hour every hour to give the criminals an opportunity to spend their pocket money. Of course there isn't a lefty out there who would argue that illegals and criminals should not have better accommodation that British soldiers, largely because they havent got a clue what they're talking about. The government will be trying to keep the details of this abomination quiet because it will make decent people quite angry. Lefties will love it. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 1, 2023 6:42:20 GMT
Yes it has been used before by the Military and Construction Workers, if I recall correctly it has just undergone a refit by the owners no alleged asylum seekers are on board yet as there is an issues with the fire safety measures on board.
Which may mean fewer migrants will be put on board, the men are free to leave the barge if they wish the only rule is sign out if going ashore , and sign in when they come back on board.
Many local people are not happy that the Barge is moored there to say the least they fear for their safety , I can't say I blame them, however we cannot keep spending £6 Million a day of taxpayers money to house these people.
We need to process them faster and if not genuine asylum seekers remove them if at all possible, our entire infrastructure cannot cope with the amount of people on this small island
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 1, 2023 9:09:19 GMT
Yes it has been used before by the Military and Construction Workers, if I recall correctly it has just undergone a refit by the owners no alleged asylum seekers are on board yet as there is an issues with the fire safety measures on board. Which may mean fewer migrants will be put on board, the men are free to leave the barge if they wish the only rule is sign out if going ashore , and sign in when they come back on board. Many local people are not happy that the Barge is moored there to say the least they fear for their safety , I can't say I blame them, however we cannot keep spending £6 Million a day of taxpayers money to house these people. We need to process them faster and if not genuine asylum seekers remove them if at all possible, our entire infrastructure cannot cope with the amount of people on this small island Im sure the government will do everything they can to make this look like a good idea . After all the negatives and protests by the local people I can see the authorities being very selective as to who is to be a guest on the boat . As for shore leave there is not much going on in Portland itself so can see the illegal migrants getting pretty bored and looking a bit further afield for their 'entertainment' . Weymouth beware . |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 1, 2023 9:18:25 GMT
This is a pic of a Coastel, it was anchored in the Falklands just after the war. I never enjoyed it's luxuries, but my brother did, and I've seen his and other lads photos. The interior of that cess pit was horrendous, it housed an infantry battalion and assorted support troops for six months at a time. Due to the conditions and stress fights were common. My brother told me it absolutely stank inside because ventilation was crap and even in the winter some people preferred to sleep outside in their dos bags. But hey they were only soldiers, who gives a fuck On the other hand, I've seen the accommodation on that 'barge' in Portland, and it looks very comfortable, a gym, 24 hour dental and medical, phones and computers, TV lounges and transport into town on the hour every hour to give the criminals an opportunity to spend their pocket money. Of course there isn't a lefty out there who would argue that illegals and criminals should not have better accommodation that British soldiers, largely because they havent got a clue what they're talking about. The government will be trying to keep the details of this abomination quiet because it will make decent people quite angry. Lefties will love it. They look like shipping containers stacked on one another with windows cut into the sides. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 9:20:38 GMT
Well here's a couple of reasons migrants can't go on them ..
1. It's not safe, it could have the Grenfell Tower fire hazards.
2. quote from migrant 'I can't go on it, I'm still traumatised with crossing of the channel in the Dinghy, every time I see water I have panic attacks and PTSD.
And many more reasons they can't go on it, they are quite happy in their 4* hotels, on full board.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 1, 2023 9:22:58 GMT
There are people in the UK that welcome these new arrivals without looking at the bigger picture, personally if some of them really are genuinely fleeing persecution, torture or even death we should do the best we can for them until it is safe for them to to go home, or if they have skills that we need fine get them into work
However the £6 million a day we taxpayers have to pay just for their accommodation multiplied by 365 days each year, should or could be being spent on recruiting and training more Doctors and Nurses, better school teachers, building new or repairing NHS Hospitals, or funding the building of affordable social housing on brown land sites, etc
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 9:41:27 GMT
The majority of people claiming asylum are subsequently found to be genuinely fleeing persecution, torture or death, Handyman. I agree that those found not to be should be removed.
So why do we have a problem. Well compare us to France. Last year they had around 110,000 asylum applicants and made decisions on 120,000 contributing to clearing their (already low) backlog. We had 70,000 applications and made decisions on 17,000.
Why is our decision making rate so slow compared to France? Cynics would say that our government enjoys having the asylum accommodation crisis to divert tabloid attention away from its dismal record on everything else. The whole point of the barge - which is likely to cost more per head per night than even hotel accommodation - is to grub for votes from more gullible tabloid readers and their equivalent on TV by stirring up hatred.
By the way the money used for hotel stays almost all comes from the aid budget and hence any money saved on hotels would be used for much needed International Development support in poorer countries overseas and not for hospitals, homes etc.
These very slow decision times benefit no-one - not the UK public, not the asylum seeker whose lives are in limbo, not the local communities where bored people unable to work are forced to live, not the needy in countries that would otherwise receive the aid. The only who gains is Braverman and Sunak who seek power on the back of human misery.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 1, 2023 9:53:49 GMT
The majority of people claiming asylum are subsequently found to be genuinely fleeing persecution, torture or death, Handyman. I agree that those found not to be should be removed. So why do we have a problem. Well compare us to France. Last year they had around 110,000 asylum applicants and made decisions on 120,000 contributing to clearing their (already low) backlog. We had 70,000 applications and made decisions on 17,000. Why is our decision making rate so slow compared to France? Cynics would say that our government enjoys having the asylum accommodation crisis to divert tabloid attention away from its dismal record on everything else. The whole point of the barge - which is likely to cost more per head per night than even hotel accommodation - is to grub for votes from more gullible tabloid readers and their equivalent on TV by stirring up hatred. By the way the money used for hotel stays almost all comes from the aid budget and hence any money saved on hotels would be used for much needed International Development support in poorer countries overseas and not for hospitals, homes etc. These very slow decision times benefit no-one - not the UK public, not the asylum seeker whose lives are in limbo, not the local communities where bored people unable to work are forced to live, not the needy in countries that would otherwise receive the aid. The only who gains is Braverman and Sunak who seek power on the back of human misery. You really are out-of-touch with reality, aren't you.
The latest crossings take the provisional total so far for 2023 to 12,119, which is just seven per cent below the cumulative total of 13,000 for this time last year. A record total of 45,755 migrants crossed the Channel in 2022.
So we know 57,874 ^^ were illegal migrants from FRANCE, so you explain what genuine Torture persecution and death they were facing in France?
Although having said that, if I was living in France the thought of Macron would probably want to make me jump in a dinghy.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 10:24:22 GMT
"The majority of people claiming asylum are subsequently found to be genuinely fleeing persecution, torture or death..." I think what you may have meant to say is "the majority of people whose asylum claims have actually been decided..."  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 1, 2023 10:27:00 GMT
The majority of people claiming asylum are subsequently found to be genuinely fleeing persecution, torture or death, Handyman. I can arrange for Mrs Jog and her circuit judges to get you a free pass to sit in the courtroom where the shitbag straight off the RIB brought COVID to kill two and nearly kill six more of the HM Courts Tribunal Service Staff and damn near kill me and about a dozen others. Over the course of the day i think the rather glaring falsehood in your sentence will become obvious. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 10:43:22 GMT
I agree Dan. It was exactly the thrust of the point I was making that our backlog is an utter disgrace benefitting no-one apart from the politicians seeking power from manufacturing a crisis. France gets roughly 50% more applicants but makes six times as many decisions and is clearing its backlog in stark contrast to our graph.
I think the less said about whatever John was on about and Fair's long debunked nonsense the better.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 1, 2023 10:48:22 GMT
So why do we have a problem. Well compare us to France. Last year they had around 110,000 asylum applicants and made decisions on 120,000 contributing to clearing their (already low) backlog. We had 70,000 applications and made decisions on 17,000. Why is our decision making rate so slow compared to France? We have a much more generous Legal Aid system compared to France - hence more ambulance chasing lawyers to feed. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 10:56:54 GMT
We are talking about initial decisions Pacifico.
Try again
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 1, 2023 11:12:34 GMT
I agree Dan. It was exactly the thrust of the point I was making that our backlog is an utter disgrace benefitting no-one apart from the politicians seeking power from manufacturing a crisis. France gets roughly 50% more applicants but makes six times as many decisions and is clearing its backlog in stark contrast to our graph. I think the less said about whatever John was on about and Fair's long debunked nonsense the better. International comparisons are often risky since legal systems are often very different. The French authorities do not have to confront the sort of migrant rights infrastructure that has been erected in the UK by the third sector, the legal profession and even parts of the judiciary. There is no merry-go-round of appeals nor a human rights law to invoke. Asylum seekers get one bite of the cherry in the sense of receiving an offer of support and accommodation. If they don't take then they're out on their own.
There could never be a situation in France like happened in the High Court last month when a judge admonished the Home Secretary for tardiness in extending support to asylum seekers as required under s.95 and s.98 of the 1999 Immigration and Asylum Act. Her actions were 'unlawful' the judge decreed and she must mend her ways immediately, taking drastic action 'as necessary' to remedy the shortcomings.
No other country in western Europe has a government that can be pushed around so easily by an activist judiciary and a partisan legal profession.
It's no wonder the asylum system in the UK is in a state of paralysis.
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Post by dappy on Aug 1, 2023 11:16:17 GMT
We are talking about initial decisions Dan
Try again
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