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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 12, 2023 9:36:28 GMT
This is a pic of a Coastel, it was anchored in the Falklands just after the war. I never enjoyed it's luxuries, but my brother did, and I've seen his and other lads photos. The interior of that cess pit was horrendous, it housed an infantry battalion and assorted support troops for six months at a time. Due to the conditions and stress fights were common. My brother told me it absolutely stank inside because ventilation was crap and even in the winter some people preferred to sleep outside in their dos bags. But hey they were only soldiers, who gives a fuck On the other hand, I've seen the accommodation on that 'barge' in Portland, and it looks very comfortable, a gym, 24 hour dental and medical, phones and computers, TV lounges and transport into town on the hour every hour to give the criminals an opportunity to spend their pocket money. Of course there isn't a lefty out there who would argue that illegals and criminals should not have better accommodation that British soldiers, largely because they havent got a clue what they're talking about. The government will be trying to keep the details of this abomination quiet because it will make decent people quite angry. Lefties will love it. So by this i have to assume that RR who suggests he speaks for all those on his team, doesnt care that migrants were forced by threats to live in an environment that could kill them. He is cheered on by another who is happy to murder asylum seekers. And here the UK used to be proud of its compassion and efficiency. In other people's countries of course. The solution is simple. Make a law thay insists migrants are processed within 6 months. Like other countries do. But do turkeys vote for Xmas? Instead the govrnnment makes itself look ridiculous. I really do get royally pissed off at twats who cannot differentiate between those who run to an official in a western country saying "help me, the government of my country is trying to kill me" and the toothless freeloader filmed by the BBC sitting in "le jungle" in the classic pose adopted by Michael Bates in "it ain't half hot mum" literally toothlessly grinning saying "i am wanting to come to England to claim political asylum"
Because the truth is this country has an UNRIVALLED record in allowing those in the first category to come here. And I am actually proud of that. Not least because it allows me to show up that lefty bitch Karsandi for what she really is.... Her dad thought he could take the piss out of the Iranians and when they came for him with malice aforethought he ran straight to us and pleaded with us to let him in, and we did, and how his bitch of a daughter makes money out of our licence fee slagging off people like me who say freeloading scum who have no right to invade the uk should be repelled, and yes repelled with violence if need be. Because they are the reason people like Korsandi's father today face the problems they do
As for your bleatings about the condition the accomodation on offer presents, i clearly need to remind you that the opening post here showed that our own citizens, British passport holders serving in our military, are routinely subjected to worse, and why should a single rubber boat rider be given ANY sort of roof over their head while men who served in our armed forces live on our streets because they cannot afford the rent to do otherwise and no one gives a fuck
I was conned into thinking this country was worth defending from cold war communism with nuclear weapons as was my father, and my grandfather was conned into thinking the country needed saving from the Nazis. It is crystal clear to me we should have left it at the mercy of the invader. Because the shithole it has allowed to become in the years that followed is not what any of those dying fr those causes had in mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:39:23 GMT
It's easy really. Police, intelligence services, international cooperation, crime databases, psychologists, interpreters.... These and many more services are in daily use in government. The words are easy to write. I suspect the reality is much harder. Someone who refuses to give you any information other than they've escaped from war in North Sudan. I doubt the services you describe are that clever. It happens all the time. I have a friend who is a 'newish' detective and he quite often sits in on experienced officers conducting 'interviews' with suspects and he has said the 'tricks' they use to get to the truth are amazing. He never tells me the ins and out but just the methods used. For example they write down, even though the interview is recorded, every word a suspect says and comment only occasionally. Then they take away the statement and leave for a few hours and return with the statement in hand and restart the interview again making very little comment but scribbling comments on the statement. Then they thank the suspect and offer him food and a nice drink and leave again. When they return for a third time the suspect, in the majority of cases tries to 'amend' their statement and the truth usually outs, very little work is done by the detectives but usually rewards are great. These officers are not unique the police have many tactics that are 'psychologically' successful. That's just the police.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:40:14 GMT
Britain has always had a problem with illegal migration from the Continent - it's hardly going to stop now. Never on this scale. Now you get it, why is it so bad now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:42:12 GMT
Only 100,000 have made the trip across the channel in 5 years THAT WE KNOW ABOUTThanks for that I am a bit mutt and Jeff. Isn't that why we should fund the border force properly?
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Post by Orac on Aug 12, 2023 9:43:25 GMT
John, you touch on a good point
One reason the UK is able to provide safety at all is that the types of people that cause fleeing are kept outside the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:43:29 GMT
You may think that, I think it's more about global migration. The problem with some of the posters on here is that they think it's a UK issue here, someone even said that we were a laughing stock because of our failure to deal with migrants, which just shows the ignorance of what is actually happening. I don't have an issue with the barge as such, as long as it meets safety standards and it is only used short term. I'm not a Labour supporter, and although every debate on here just descends into left v right, it's actually not a helpful way of looking at things. People are more 3 dimensional than just one or t'other, but most of the threads on here are just about putting people in boxes and then calling them names, rather than debating the actual points. On your point about bygone era, I somewhat take the point and have no objection to the legislation being amended, as long as we remain within our international obligations. It's not clear for me across all these multiple threads what changes people actually want to see that would actually make the process easier. We have no obligation to become the trashcan of the globe. Why, we have you.🤣
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 9:46:41 GMT
Do you not understand what an answer is or how a thread works? I understand only too well and how posters will twist turn and evade. I also understand that threads expand even drift from the original post it happens all the time and you have engaged in that yourself. I predict that were I to start a thread on the subject you’d ignore it as would other posters. I accept also that you are in a minority on here and perhaps post to reflect that fact as does Andrew and Zany though he has adopted a different tactic,nothing wrong with that,Srb post his view regardless of what anybody thinks so there we are and wouldn’t it be boring if we all thought the same. The only people I have little time for are the shouty you voted Brexit own it type. Anyway might just start that thread. What's it got to do with Brexit. I agree threads do drift but this is about one kind of immigration and people are attempting to use 'legal' migration to bolster their numbers, see the difference?
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2023 9:52:36 GMT
I understand only too well and how posters will twist turn and evade. I also understand that threads expand even drift from the original post it happens all the time and you have engaged in that yourself. I predict that were I to start a thread on the subject you’d ignore it as would other posters. I accept also that you are in a minority on here and perhaps post to reflect that fact as does Andrew and Zany though he has adopted a different tactic,nothing wrong with that,Srb post his view regardless of what anybody thinks so there we are and wouldn’t it be boring if we all thought the same. The only people I have little time for are the shouty you voted Brexit own it type. Anyway might just start that thread. What's it got to do with Brexit.I agree threads do drift but this is about one kind of immigration and people are attempting to use 'legal' migration to bolster their numbers, see the difference? I dunno I didn’t bring brexit in to it shouty brexit person in the name of Oracle75 did perhaps they can enlighten you.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 9:54:29 GMT
Now you get it, why is it so bad now? Because we allow criminals from the EU to stay in this country.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 10:04:15 GMT
What's it got to do with Brexit.I agree threads do drift but this is about one kind of immigration and people are attempting to use 'legal' migration to bolster their numbers, see the difference? I dunno I didn’t bring brexit in to it shouty brexit person in the name of Oracle75 did perhaps they can enlighten you. And why dont you like the "you voted for protecting your own borders so get on with it" types? Makes you feel a bit challenged? Further , when i have quietly explain3d something to those who refuse to acknowledge it, discuss omit or take it into account, I try to find alternate ways of making them pay attention. This site isnt either discussion or denate. It is endless jousting in tin hats. It is mentioning that which suits your prejudices and ignoring that which doesnt. And most of it is 7 years old and doesnt matter anymore. So i am afraid that when others start playing these games, i will shout.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 12, 2023 10:06:05 GMT
Now you get it, why is it so bad now? All it will take is one high profile politician especially in the Labour party to become a victim of these illegal migrants, imagine Rayner or Starmer, then you'll see some cross party action, up to now while it's not directly effecting their own 'personal' space and lives they don't give a fuck.
When they can't go into London for a drink or a meal, or shopping in Oxford street, because of the foreign criminals, they'll have a light bulb moment, realising playing politics and political point scoring just to prove a point was a recipe for disaster.
The good old self-serving, lefty woke snowflakes will go into panic mode.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 10:11:53 GMT
Now you get it, why is it so bad now? Because we allow criminals from the EU to stay in this country. Pardon? Who are you referring to?
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 10:14:34 GMT
Now you get it, why is it so bad now? All it will take is one high profile politician especially in the Labour party to become a victim of these illegal migrants, imagine Rayner or Starmer, then you'll see some cross party action, up to now while it's not directly effecting their own 'personal' space and lives they don't give a fuck.
When they can't go into London for a drink or a meal, or shopping in Oxford street, because of the foreign criminals, they'll have a light bulb moment, realising playing politics and political point scoring just to prove a point was a recipe for disaster.
The good old self-serving, lefty woke snowflakes will go into panic mode.
Since these people you mention CAN do nothing, how about discussing those who CAN? Dont Tories use London services too?
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 12, 2023 10:22:03 GMT
All it will take is one high profile politician especially in the Labour party to become a victim of these illegal migrants, imagine Rayner or Starmer, then you'll see some cross party action, up to now while it's not directly effecting their own 'personal' space and lives they don't give a fuck.
When they can't go into London for a drink or a meal, or shopping in Oxford street, because of the foreign criminals, they'll have a light bulb moment, realising playing politics and political point scoring just to prove a point was a recipe for disaster.
The good old self-serving, lefty woke snowflakes will go into panic mode.
Since these people you mention CAN do nothing, how about discussing those who CAN? Dont Tories use London services too? It's not the Tories blocking every attempt to sort the mess out, it's the lefties blocking any plan to deal with the problem ...... are you on another planet?
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 10:25:40 GMT
Because we allow criminals from the EU to stay in this country. Pardon? Who are you referring to? I wasn't 'referring' to anyone. I was quite obviously responding to you, you pillock.
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