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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 9:35:00 GMT
And if someone believes they have not had a fair trail and there are some notable cases, we would have no recourse to further appeals. Wrong again that is what the Court of Appeal Court is for, to overturn wrongful convictions and or sentence if there is evidence that was not available at the time of the initial trial to support an appeal I agree and have never said differently but leaving the ECHR weakens our rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 9:35:36 GMT
Yup, they also call ordinary people that do not agree with them 'idiots'. Are you saying that the right wing Tories, media and public have not called out professions and people as above? No, I am calling you an idiot, because you show all the right credentials, now you are trying to turn it into a vote for the New Labour party. Show me where I am wrong? |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:38:13 GMT
No, I am calling you an idiot, because you show all the right credentials, now you are trying to turn it into a vote for the New Labour party. Show me where I am wrong? Compared with who Einstein? The list of the Westminster party misdemeanours is so long not even you can deny them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 9:40:38 GMT
Anyway these asylum seekers migrants or whatever they want to call themselves, surely can't be that dumb now they are here in the UK, they are here with nowhere to live, they either get stuck on barges, barracks and are likely to be getting kicked out of hotels.
Assuming their asylum application is approved hasn't it dawned on them that they will be in a worse situation than they are in, probably end up on the streets homeless, so what's the pull?
Why hasn't the word got back to France, they would probably have a better standard of living within other EU countries, why do they think ending up in some shithole in the UK is worth risking their lives for, not to mention the tens of thousands they've given people traffickers.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 11, 2023 10:28:45 GMT
Because if they are granted asylum they have the right to work. 🙄
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 10:39:15 GMT
Because if they are granted asylum they have the right to work. 🙄 LOL...... that's the last thing they've come here to do. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 10:41:32 GMT
Which will only increase the size of the problem - hence the refusal. Why? Currently to get into the UK to claim asylum you have to pay £3000 to a people smuggler for a seat on a small rubber boat and then take a dangerous sea voyage. The proposal to allow claims to be made in France would mean that instead of the cost and danger being met by the asylum seeker it would be the UK taxpayer providing a free ticket on P&O. Anyone who cannot see that would lead to an exponential increase in asylum claims is suffering from clinical levels of delusion. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 10:43:17 GMT
some people really are a silly billy, they are already here operating in gangs, including shoplifters, drug runners, TikTok Oxford street smash and grab mobs, armed muggers robbing expensive watches of people in broad daylight, you only have to look at their 'descriptions', .......... WORK ... lololol
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 11, 2023 11:12:09 GMT
Because if they are granted asylum they have the right to work. 🙄 LOL...... that's the last thing they've come here to do. Where do you get your stats from? I swear you just make things up from the top of your head and then try to present the as facts. 🙄 |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 11:12:20 GMT
No, my reasoning is based on the fact that legislation made 70 years ago in the shadow of WW2, is 'obviously' not fit for purpose today. There have always been a few people calling for our extradition from the convention but it appears to be now and because of immigration that the call is being intensified. At the end of WW2 there were millions of displaced people and the ECHR went someway to protecting their rights. Today there are millions of displaced people due to wars, drought, famine and prejudices, why is now different?In fact it would appear to be just as relevant today as it was then. Because at the end of WW2 the world population was just over 2 Billion and in 2023 it’s over 8 Billion and so I’ll ask the question no one wants to answer,if due to a combination of poverty,war and climate I expect the displaced will be a tidal wave compared to the ripple of post WW2. So do we open our doors to all comers. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 11:20:35 GMT
LOL...... that's the last thing they've come here to do. Where do you get your stats from? I swear you just make things up from the top of your head and then try to present the as facts. 🙄 The problem is you not me, you're not capable of thinking for yourself, you are programmed and have no independent thought process.
If it isn't stated then according to you it isn't fact, myself and others on here don't need to read fudged figures, or statistics, we read between the lines, unfortunately you are incapable of doing it, for example you have been told these illegal migrants are here to 'work', and that's it, it's in your head they are here to work, and nothing is going to get it out.
We don't operate like that, we see the bigger picture, and we see through the lies, it's what they are not telling us that spikes our interest.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 11, 2023 11:30:04 GMT
So basically thanks for admitting you made it up. That doesn't really contribute to the debate.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 11, 2023 11:36:21 GMT
So basically thanks for admitting you made it up. That doesn't really contribute to the debate. If you want to live in cloud cuckoo land fair enough, I'll just humour you, .... yes andrew you are right they are here to work... they have paid thousands to illegal people traffickers ... they have risked life and limb just to get to the UK so they can pick fruit ... yes andrew that's right, you keep thinking that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 11:39:32 GMT
Andrew - it's all about legal loopholes and exploitation of a system designed in a bygone era. That alone highlights the unethical forces at work, which, as we can see, is also used against the people of our country. Clearly there's no reasoning with the Labour Left, which makes the situation a lot worse.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2023 14:33:49 GMT
No longer take in economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. We all agree with that. You may well do but the efforts of many is to facilitate that whilst adopting a higher moral tone. The argument seems to be better that 100 false asylum claims are granted than one genuine one is refused. |
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