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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 7:30:36 GMT
But you are asking the wrong question. The problem with ECHR membership is not that we cannot stop asylum seekers but that we cannot remove them. If we were not in the ECHR that would not prevent a single person from seeking asylum - it would allow failed asylum seekers to be removed however. Yes, this appears to be the problem and where the law needs re-writing. How can it be that someone can destroy their documents and refuse to tell the authorities where they are from and still be here. What can we do. You can't deport someone if you don't know where to deport them to. Other countries wont accept them. So what? Prison? Holding camps? How long for? This is another myth. We can and do remove asylum seekers whether they have their documents or not. Finding the nationality of a displaced person is not that difficult unless they do not speak, have no fingerprints, have never been photographed ... We use interpreters, which will indicate a nationality and regional accents to pinpoint their region of origin, body language experts are also used, skilled interviewers can quite easily discover the veracity of a claimants story. International agreements with other countries can be used to 'investigate' where that is possible, economic migrants usually come from poor but relatively safe states. To say there is nothing we can do is lazy. Our government has cut funding and almost refuses to assess claim which is the core root of our problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 7:32:18 GMT
The only workable system is offshore processing but the asylum industry and those on the Left are adamantly against anything that works - so we carry on as we are. The left advocates setting up asylum claim centres in France, that's where they board the boats but the Tories refuse to do it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2023 7:33:40 GMT
The only workable system is offshore processing but the asylum industry and those on the Left are adamantly against anything that works - so we carry on as we are. The left advocates setting up asylum claim centres in France, that's where they board the boats but the Tories refuse to do it. Which will only increase the size of the problem - hence the refusal. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 7:33:57 GMT
A bit like the second ammendment Red. It doesn't keep up with the present timeframe Is the right to a fair trial not belonging to the present? A right to a fair trial is enshrined in UK Law for anyone in the UK , no matter where they are from or their nationality here legally or illegally should they be suspected of breaking our Laws and has been for many years In relation to Slavery Laws in the UK the first Legislation in relation to Slavery was introduced in 1807 that banned all transportation of Slaves in the UK and right across the British Empire , a few years later another bill forbade the sale of slaves within the UK and our former Empire , fast forward to modern times those Laws were so antiquated and no longer fit for purpose and repealed taken off the law books in 1998 , today we have up to date legislation the Slavery Act of 2015. All our Laws are subject to change , additions too , parts no longer fit for purpose removed, the only Offence that I know of that has not been changed for a very very long time is " Murder " it is the shortage charge on the books it simply states " On such and such a date, at such and such place you did Murder so and so, Contrary to Common Law. When it come to overstayers in the UK when caught they have a choice either leave the UK voluntarily if you do you cannot return to the UK for three years, if they don't they can put before a Court, to decide if they should be deported or not, the same goes for bogus economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers, as far as I am aware |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 7:40:48 GMT
The left advocates setting up asylum claim centres in France, that's where they board the boats but the Tories refuse to do it. Which will only increase the size of the problem - hence the refusal. Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 7:42:22 GMT
Is the right to a fair trial not belonging to the present? A right to a fair trial is enshrined in UK Law for anyone in the UK , no matter where they are from or their nationality here legally or illegally should they be suspected of breaking our Laws and has been for many years In relation to Slavery Laws in the UK the first Legislation in relation to Slavery was introduced in 1807 that banned all transportation of Slaves in the UK and right across the British Empire , a few years later another bill forbade the sale of slaves within the UK and our former Empire , fast forward to modern times those Laws were so antiquated and no longer fit for purpose and repealed taken off the law books in 1998 , today we have up to date legislation the Slavery Act of 2015. All our Laws are subject to change , additions too , parts no longer fit for purpose removed, the only Offence that I know of that has not been changed for a very very long time is " Murder " it is the shortage charge on the books it simply states " On such and such a date, at such and such place you did Murder so and so, Contrary to Common Law. When it come to overstayers in the UK when caught they have a choice either leave the UK voluntarily if you do you cannot return to the UK for three years, if they don't they can put before a Court, to decide if they should be deported or not, the same goes for bogus economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers, as far as I am aware And if someone believes they have not had a fair trail and there are some notable cases, we would have no recourse to further appeals. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 7:48:43 GMT
The only workable system is offshore processing but the asylum industry and those on the Left are adamantly against anything that works - so we carry on as we are. The left advocates setting up asylum claim centres in France, that's where they board the boats but the Tories refuse to do it. The Left are easily taken advantage of, because it seems you cannot even see, when the same psycholigy that works on the Left falls on death ears elsewhere. Oh those poor downtrodden souls. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 8:06:29 GMT
Get on the fecking boat as we have been to a lot of bother finding you accommodation in an already overcrowded country. While we find somebody actually capable of sorting out who is legitimate and who isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 8:29:06 GMT
Get on the fecking boat as we have been to a lot of bother finding you accommodation in an already overcrowded country. While we find somebody actually capable of sorting out who is legitimate and who isn't. You keep calling out the left as this, that and the other but this is a Tory mess in it's entirety. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 8:33:01 GMT
Get on the fecking boat as we have been to a lot of bother finding you accommodation in an already overcrowded country. While we find somebody actually capable of sorting out who is legitimate and who isn't. You keep calling out the left as this, that and the other but this is a Tory mess in it's entirety. No actually, I call out idiots left or right they all exist, who blindly follow some kind of party loyalty as though it is gospel, when mostly it is cobblers. In fact I have been cancelled for doing so on several occasions. So you can put your paranoia away it won't work. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 8:59:41 GMT
You keep calling out the left as this, that and the other but this is a Tory mess in it's entirety. No actually, I call out idiots left or right they all exist, who blindly follow some kind of party loyalty as though it is gospel, when mostly it is cobblers. In fact I have been cancelled for doing so on several occasions. So you can your paranoia away it won't work. No, it always seems to be the left. The left are not in power and have not been for 13 years. The 'lefty' lawyers are immigration lawyers who use the law as it is not how some would like it to be. The right keep threatening to withdraw from the ECHR but we all know this will never happen. The right 'stoke up' hatred against asylum seekers for political purpose. The Tories, could with their majority, do something about the small boats but need them to continue so they can call out the left as 'against' the peoples wishes the same language they use whenever they have a problem. Lefty lawyers. Militant workers. "enemies of the people' Judges. Marxist Labour. Doctors causing the waiting lists. Greedy nurses. Immigration invasion. Ecomaniacs ...... |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:03:22 GMT
No actually, I call out idiots left or right they all exist, who blindly follow some kind of party loyalty as though it is gospel, when mostly it is cobblers. In fact I have been cancelled for doing so on several occasions. So you can your paranoia away it won't work. No, it always seems to be the left. The left are not in power and have not been for 13 years. The 'lefty' lawyers are immigration lawyers who use the law as it is not how some would like it to be. The right keep threatening to withdraw from the ECHR but we all know this will never happen. The right 'stoke up' hatred against asylum seekers for political purpose. The Tories, could with their majority, do something about the small boats but need them to continue so they can call out the left as 'against' the peoples wishes the same language they use whenever they have a problem. Lefty lawyers. Militant workers. "enemies of the people' Judges. Marxist Labour. Doctors causing the waiting lists. Greedy nurses. Immigration invasion. Ecomaniacs ...... Well don't put your paranoia away then see if I care, it doesn't detract from the fact you are an idiot and it just so happens you are a left wing one. So crack on and cry me a river while we get things sorted out for a political weary public. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 9:18:43 GMT
No, it always seems to be the left. The left are not in power and have not been for 13 years. The 'lefty' lawyers are immigration lawyers who use the law as it is not how some would like it to be. The right keep threatening to withdraw from the ECHR but we all know this will never happen. The right 'stoke up' hatred against asylum seekers for political purpose. The Tories, could with their majority, do something about the small boats but need them to continue so they can call out the left as 'against' the peoples wishes the same language they use whenever they have a problem. Lefty lawyers. Militant workers. "enemies of the people' Judges. Marxist Labour. Doctors causing the waiting lists. Greedy nurses. Immigration invasion. Ecomaniacs ...... Well don't put your paranoia away then see if I care, it doesn't detract from the fact you are an idiot and it just so happens you are a left wing one. So crack on and cry me a river while we get things sorted out for a political weary public. Yup, they also call ordinary people that do not agree with them 'idiots'. Are you saying that the right wing Tories, media and public have not called out professions and people as above? |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 9:18:55 GMT
A right to a fair trial is enshrined in UK Law for anyone in the UK , no matter where they are from or their nationality here legally or illegally should they be suspected of breaking our Laws and has been for many years In relation to Slavery Laws in the UK the first Legislation in relation to Slavery was introduced in 1807 that banned all transportation of Slaves in the UK and right across the British Empire , a few years later another bill forbade the sale of slaves within the UK and our former Empire , fast forward to modern times those Laws were so antiquated and no longer fit for purpose and repealed taken off the law books in 1998 , today we have up to date legislation the Slavery Act of 2015. All our Laws are subject to change , additions too , parts no longer fit for purpose removed, the only Offence that I know of that has not been changed for a very very long time is " Murder " it is the shortage charge on the books it simply states " On such and such a date, at such and such place you did Murder so and so, Contrary to Common Law. When it come to overstayers in the UK when caught they have a choice either leave the UK voluntarily if you do you cannot return to the UK for three years, if they don't they can put before a Court, to decide if they should be deported or not, the same goes for bogus economic migrants and bogus asylum seekers, as far as I am aware And if someone believes they have not had a fair trail and there are some notable cases, we would have no recourse to further appeals. Wrong again that is what the Court of Appeal Court is for, to overturn wrongful convictions and or sentence if there is evidence that was not available at the time of the initial trial to support an appeal |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:21:10 GMT
Well don't put your paranoia away then see if I care, it doesn't detract from the fact you are an idiot and it just so happens you are a left wing one. So crack on and cry me a river while we get things sorted out for a political weary public. Yup, they also call ordinary people that do not agree with them 'idiots'. Are you saying that the right wing Tories, media and public have not called out professions and people as above? No, I am calling you an idiot, because you show all the right credentials, now you are trying to turn it into a vote for the New Labour party. |
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