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Post by zanygame on Aug 7, 2023 6:28:44 GMT
Are you trying to suggest that what is happening in London will happen in northampton or Lincoln or Nottingham or Durham or St.Austell or East Anglia or Cornwall or Scotland or Wales anywhere north of the red wall ( god it sounds like Game of Thrones). This is a political pre election windup. Instead if the Tories or Labour really wanted to control emissions they would offer proper scrappage and deals on EV's. This is putting people out of work and filling London's coffers. And what are they doing with it? Subsidising businesses? Providing laws that prevent landlords from ignoring mould and shiit housing? Providing parks and clean open spaces? No. Clobbering and taxing the self employed van driver who instead of paying taxes, will now need benefits. Do Uber and Just Eat have to pay ULEZ? This is simply a tax like the old window tax, covered in the pretty colours of "we are saving lives." What ever happened to the catalytic converter? Is is now beyond the wit of man to remove most of the particulates etc that are the problem?
How many businesses will it take to balance off the new carbon released into the air by Labour's new coal mine?? Joined up thinking stops at the borders of UK government. Maybe there should be a tax on localised bordered "thinking". THERE IS NO JOINED UP THINKING OR PLAN . It is chaos and as usual, the little guy pays. ULEZ is literally about using cars with particulate control, such as AD blue etc. The problem is old vehicles that don't have them. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 6:43:00 GMT
I know what ULEZ is.
I asked what has happened to the catalytic converters which are made to remove particulates.
They were developed in the 90's and never heard of again...
ULEZ is Khan's response to the Tory requirement to reduce emissions. But he chose this solution while i have never seen any attempt to improve the catalytic converter. It seems to have disappeared.
Why has no company tried to develop or improve it or create another such device?
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 7:06:07 GMT
Modern EV's are totally reliant on software - just like mobile phones and as soon as the manufacturers decide to stop supporting that software on old EV's they will be just as much of a brick as old mobile phones. Modern vehicles are totally reliant on software. Everything has thousands of chips these days. They are more reliable and longer lasting than they've ever been. Your comparison to mobile phones is flawed. The reason mobile phones go out of date is the software keeps getting upgraded to the latest version. They carry lots of personal information which makes them vulnerable to hacking and that software keeps changing. None of those things applies to your car. A better comparison would be your TV. Of course vehicles keep being upgraded. Just look at the most modern version avzilable ten years ago. Satnavs are far better, they carry records of your journeys and your home, visual displays to help with parking, obstacle sensors, hands free phones, better MPG, are all developed over the last ten years. RE EV's, a major issue is charging points. Again, no creative thinking. There should be some available in hotel, pub and restaurant car parks and retail outlet car parks. A local hotel here in a small town outside a big city has installed four charging points in its parking area. They are advertised and while people wait , they buy a coffee or a meal in the restaurant. Where is the creative productive thinking What used to drive progress in the UK. All the country seems to do is find faults with new development before they are even started. The zeitgeist is " we cant" rather than "lets see if we can and make it hapen". So depressing and aged. No energy or vision. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2023 7:13:13 GMT
Are you trying to suggest that what is happening in London will happen in northampton or Lincoln or Nottingham or Durham or St.Austell or East Anglia or Cornwall or Scotland or Wales anywhere north of the red wall ( god it sounds like Game of Thrones). This is a political pre election windup. This thread is about ULEZ expansion. Are you telling me you are completely unaware that ULEZ (or clean air zones as they sometime call it) is happening in cities across the entire uk , including four in scotland?
Steve srb post is spot on. Of course people outside london are fucking concerned. Ive posted repeatedly how folk in glasgow are angry about the introduction of the ULEZ scheme.
Im guessing you dont want to talk about it , and brush it under the carpet because its yet another unpopular labour party band wagon that may harm their chances of election?
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2023 7:17:55 GMT
Modern EV's are totally reliant on software - just like mobile phones and as soon as the manufacturers decide to stop supporting that software on old EV's they will be just as much of a brick as old mobile phones. Modern vehicles are totally reliant on software. Everything has thousands of chips these days. They are more reliable and longer lasting than they've ever been. Your comparison to mobile phones is flawed. The reason mobile phones go out of date is the software keeps getting upgraded to the latest version. They carry lots of personal information which makes them vulnerable to hacking and that software keeps changing. None of those things applies to your car. A better comparison would be your TV. Combined with the issue of software you also have the battery problem. An ICE car can easily go 20 years with no degradation in performance - and EV is essentially scrap after 10 years. So given that the car wont last much longer than 10 years anyway there is no incentive on the manufacturer to keep supporting it. If you want to save the planet drive an old car - it's the environmental thing to do. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 7, 2023 7:22:35 GMT
I know what ULEZ is. I asked what has happened to the catalytic converters which are made to remove particulates.
They were developed in the 90's and never heard of again...ULEZ is Khan's response to the Tory requirement to reduce emissions. But he chose this solution while i have never seen any attempt to improve the catalytic converter. It seems to have disappeared. Why has no company tried to develop or improve it or create another such device? What do you mean never heard of again? Anyway stolen by the thousands for the precious metal they contain. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 7:30:06 GMT
Are you trying to suggest that what is happening in London will happen in northampton or Lincoln or Nottingham or Durham or St.Austell or East Anglia or Cornwall or Scotland or Wales anywhere north of the red wall ( god it sounds like Game of Thrones). This is a political pre election windup. This thread is about ULEZ expansion. Are you telling me you are completely unaware that ULEZ (or clean air zones as they sometime call it) is happening in cities across the entire uk , including four in scotland?
Steve srb post is spot on. Of course people outside london are fucking concerned. Ive posted repeatedly how folk in glasgow are angry about the introduction of the ULEZ scheme.
Im guessing you dont want to talk about it , and brush it under the carpet because its yet another unpopular labour party band wagon that may harm their chances of election?
You hzve com0letelu missed the point. Why has no one developed an existing technology WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ULEZ ANYWHERE??? And see? The whole thing is POLITICAL. You just said so. The requirement to reduce emissions is a TORY POLICY imposed on areas deemed to qualify. And having made it a legal requirement the Tory government is now using it to make Labour city politicians look bad. Just open your eyes. I have every sympathy for reducing emissions but it doesnt have to happen by forcing a tax on every delivery driver and small construction company . |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 7:33:10 GMT
I know what ULEZ is. I asked what has happened to the catalytic converters which are made to remove particulates.
They were developed in the 90's and never heard of again...ULEZ is Khan's response to the Tory requirement to reduce emissions. But he chose this solution while i have never seen any attempt to improve the catalytic converter. It seems to have disappeared. Why has no company tried to develop or improve it or create another such device? What do you mean never heard of again? Anyway stolen by the thousands for the precious metal they contain. Which does not eliminate their development. Did the UK stop development of the bicycle because they were often stolen? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2023 7:40:23 GMT
This thread is about ULEZ expansion. Are you telling me you are completely unaware that ULEZ (or clean air zones as they sometime call it) is happening in cities across the entire uk , including four in scotland?
Steve srb post is spot on. Of course people outside london are fucking concerned. Ive posted repeatedly how folk in glasgow are angry about the introduction of the ULEZ scheme.
Im guessing you dont want to talk about it , and brush it under the carpet because its yet another unpopular labour party band wagon that may harm their chances of election?
You hzve com0letelu missed the point. Why has no one developed an existing technology WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ULEZ ANYWHERE??? And see? The whole thing is POLITICAL. You just said so. The requirement to reduce emissions is a TORY POLICY imposed on areas deemed to qualify. And having made it a legal requirement the Tory government is now using it to make Labour city politicians look bad. Just open your eyes. I have every sympathy for reducing emissions but it doesnt have to happen by forcing a tax on every delivery driver and small construction company . i may have missed your point but thats because your earlier post was unintellgible. Do try and be a bit clearer , rather then dismissing concerns about ULEZ , whcih is currently happening across the uk , not just london.
i agree. Thats been my argument on here now for a number of weeks and months regading ULEZ , taxing us to death , lowering our living standards while hiding behind the climate .
sounds good to me. Every party outside of labour generally find it easy to make labour look bad.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 9:13:50 GMT
Is that the extent of your observations of the subject?
My POINT was the utter lack of interest in developing other ways to comply with Tory diktat.
Is that clear and simple enough?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2023 10:00:29 GMT
I know what ULEZ is. I asked what has happened to the catalytic converters which are made to remove particulates.
They were developed in the 90's and never heard of again...ULEZ is Khan's response to the Tory requirement to reduce emissions. But he chose this solution while i have never seen any attempt to improve the catalytic converter. It seems to have disappeared. Why has no company tried to develop or improve it or create another such device? What do you mean never heard of again? Anyway stolen by the thousands for the precious metal they contain. Oracle75, who is no oracle, is confusing catalytic converters on petrol engines, still on every petrol engine, with DPF (Diesel Particulate Filters) on diesel cars since around 2008. Perhaps if she does a bit of Googling she can put her mind straight. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 7, 2023 10:21:53 GMT
This thread is about ULEZ expansion. Are you telling me you are completely unaware that ULEZ (or clean air zones as they sometime call it) is happening in cities across the entire uk , including four in scotland?
Steve srb post is spot on. Of course people outside london are fucking concerned. Ive posted repeatedly how folk in glasgow are angry about the introduction of the ULEZ scheme.
Im guessing you dont want to talk about it , and brush it under the carpet because its yet another unpopular labour party band wagon that may harm their chances of election?
You hzve com0letelu missed the point. Why has no one developed an existing technology WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ULEZ ANYWHERE??? And see? The whole thing is POLITICAL. You just said so. The requirement to reduce emissions is a TORY POLICY imposed on areas deemed to qualify. And having made it a legal requirement the Tory government is now using it to make Labour city politicians look bad. Just open your eyes. I have every sympathy for reducing emissions but it doesnt have to happen by forcing a tax on every delivery driver and small construction company . And again: ULEZ is not about emissions, it is about plugging the gaping hole in TFLs finances due to Khan's ineptitude.
The Tories will not bail Khan out again and have told him to raise the revenue another way. ULEZ is his choice.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 7, 2023 11:13:06 GMT
That is patently obvious.
Doesnt need explaining.
My issue is why no one uses other means of complying with Tory diktat.
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 7, 2023 11:22:20 GMT
Catalytic converters certainly do exist. A few months ago a gang of villains removed the one from my sister-in-law's Honda while it was parked on the driveway.
While particulate filters (and Adblue) have used on diesel trucks for quite a few years now, it's only since 2015/16 when Euro6 standards came into effect that they have standard on diesel cars.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 7, 2023 13:00:09 GMT
You hzve com0letelu missed the point. Why has no one developed an existing technology WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ULEZ ANYWHERE??? And see? The whole thing is POLITICAL. You just said so. The requirement to reduce emissions is a TORY POLICY imposed on areas deemed to qualify. And having made it a legal requirement the Tory government is now using it to make Labour city politicians look bad. Just open your eyes. I have every sympathy for reducing emissions but it doesnt have to happen by forcing a tax on every delivery driver and small construction company . And again: ULEZ is not about emissions, it is about plugging the gaping hole in TFLs finances due to Khan's ineptitude.
The Tories will not bail Khan out again and have told him to raise the revenue another way. ULEZ is his choice.
Exactly, it's not about the environment, it's not about public health, it's about plugging holes in TFL's finances by Sadiq Khan who can't run a bath properly never mind London. |
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