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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 12:06:47 GMT
labours dirty tricks are well known . What im saying though is two things.
One is that any momentum they may have had has stalled. Voters arent sure on them despite the polls
Second is that the snp , and tory governments failings ,rather than some sort of new labour dirty trick campaign , is what is hampering the governing parties in scotland and england rather than the threat of an upcoming party that has something new and fresh to offer the electorate.
Im not convinced starmer is going to win the next election.
If the Tories can get their act together Labour wont win the next GE, but they have to start now.
Now all this Johnson partygate nonsense is hopefully over they can concentrate on what really matters to people, Labour/Starmer spent every hour of everyday on their partygate crusade against Johnson, in the hopes it would bring down the Tory government.
It hasn't worked so now it's back to the drawing board for them, Labour have no policies, no plans, and a deadpan leader, they know the only way they can win wont be because they are good, but the Tories are performing bad, and Labour will capitalise on every bad move the Tories make, so let's start hoping the Tories pull themselves together and deliver what the people want.
i liked your post , not because im a tory supporter , but because im completely utterly anti labour and agree with every word you have written about them in your post.
Labour offer nothing but more of the same , thats when they do talk vaguely about policy , or at best sit quietly on their hands hoping to fall into power off the back of a skewed political system .
We had a new labour government for thirteen years , much of which still haunts us today , and i for one dont want a return to that shambles of a government.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:17:39 GMT
If Labour voters are anything like the Labour voters on here they shouldn't be allowed near a ballot box, the crap they come out with on here is jaw dropping, and the excuses they make for Labour is even more jaw dropping, but the most worrying thing of all there are many more of them out there, that could help get Labour into power. That roughly translates as: "Other people may have a different view to me. There may be more of them than us. People who have a different view should not be allowed to vote." Is that really what you're saying? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 24, 2023 12:19:04 GMT
If Labour voters are anything like the Labour voters on here they shouldn't be allowed near a ballot box, the crap they come out with on here is jaw dropping, and the excuses they make for Labour is even more jaw dropping, but the most worrying thing of all there are many more of them out there, that could help get Labour into power. That roughly translates as: "Other people may have a different view to me. There may be more of them than us. People who have a different view should not be allowed to vote." Is that really what you're saying? Well yes, it would have been more simpler if I'd have used you as a example. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:21:38 GMT
Not much point if you can't cope with people with a different opinion.
Is the only democracy the one where you decide what is permissable?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 24, 2023 12:24:55 GMT
Not much point if you can't cope with people with a different opinion. Is the only democracy the one where you decide what is permissable? It seems that way, the woke left loons are forever telling people what they can and can't do or say, they are control freaks, if they had their way freedom of speech would be a one way street, only the left can say what they want.
It's ironic that you should say 'you can't cope with people with a different opinion' when the lefty woke snowflakes want to cancel everything and anything that does not fit into their agenda .... LOL
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:27:47 GMT
I think that is the most ironic post ever.
Thank you.
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 12:31:06 GMT
Not much point if you can't cope with people with a different opinion. Is the only democracy the one where you decide what is permissable? im not sure thats fair andrew. Im reading the current attitudes to politics on forums like this as pretty angry and pissed off with both snp and tory governments , but that many folk dont like labour as an alternative.
There is no democracy at westmisnter under a dodgy two party system the majority dont appear to like , where parties like blairs new labour can win massive majorities on twenty per cent of the electorates votes.
Most of us welcome different opinions , which is why we engage on political forums to test those opinions against each other.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 24, 2023 12:31:22 GMT
I think that is the most ironic post ever. Thank you. It should be me thanking you, thanking you for highlighting exactly what the lefties stand for, double standard hypocrisy. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:42:34 GMT
I think that is the most ironic post ever. Thank you. It should be me thanking you, thanking you for highlighting exactly what the lefties stand for, double standard hypocrisy. Hate to point it out, and have done on multiple occasions previously, I'm not a Labour supporter... 🙄 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 24, 2023 12:45:10 GMT
It should be me thanking you, thanking you for highlighting exactly what the lefties stand for, double standard hypocrisy. Hate to point it out, and have done on multiple occasions previously, I'm not a Labour supporter... 🙄 Well we know for a fact you're not a Tory voter, nevertheless you have the same traits as a lefty, just pointing it out. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:45:34 GMT
Not much point if you can't cope with people with a different opinion. Is the only democracy the one where you decide what is permissable? im not sure thats fair andrew. Im reading the current attitudes to politics on forums like this as pretty angry and pissed off with both snp and tory governments , but that many folk dont like labour as an alternative.
There is no democracy at westmisnter under a dodgy two party system the majority dont appear to like , where parties like blairs new labour can win massive majorities on twenty per cent of the electorates votes.
Most of us welcome different opinions , which is why we engage on political forums to test those opinions against each other.
Thank you for a more pertinent reply. I agree. Neither of the 2 main parties reflect my opinions. Indeed, in 2019 in the 3 elections I voted for 3 different parties. They all have a lot to learn in terms of engaging the electorate. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 12:45:39 GMT
It should be me thanking you, thanking you for highlighting exactly what the lefties stand for, double standard hypocrisy. Hate to point it out, and have done on multiple occasions previously, I'm not a Labour supporter... 🙄 Do you support liberal or green for exmaple andrew? The reason i ask is the majority on here dont seem to support the three main parties in the uk at present , so do you think westmisnter should have a proportional system instead to reflect the majority of non main party views ? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 24, 2023 12:46:53 GMT
Hate to point it out, and have done on multiple occasions previously, I'm not a Labour supporter... 🙄 Well we know for a fact you're not a Tory voter, nevertheless you have the same traits as a lefty, just pointing it out. Telling other people how they think will never lead to a sensible discussion. Let's leave it there. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 24, 2023 12:46:56 GMT
Given that our most ardent Labourites appear to be well into advanced age? Doesn't that apply across the spectrum here? (I'm in my fifties, and am probably one of the younger ones on these boards..) |
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 12:47:55 GMT
im not sure thats fair andrew. Im reading the current attitudes to politics on forums like this as pretty angry and pissed off with both snp and tory governments , but that many folk dont like labour as an alternative.
There is no democracy at westmisnter under a dodgy two party system the majority dont appear to like , where parties like blairs new labour can win massive majorities on twenty per cent of the electorates votes.
Most of us welcome different opinions , which is why we engage on political forums to test those opinions against each other.
Thank you for a more pertinent reply. I agree. Neither of the 2 main parties reflect my opinions. Indeed, in 2019 in the 3 elections I voted for 3 different parties. They all have a lot to learn in terms of engaging the electorate. same here. Ive been voting since 1992 , and have never voted tory once in my life , and havent voted labour since 1997.( mum was labour . Dad scottish tory)
As i keep saying labour and tory tennis is something of a bygone age lingering in the present the more i come across differing political views across these islands. Only a skewed system allows them to be seen to reflect the majority , when in fact they dont and havent done for decades.
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