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Post by zanygame on Jul 23, 2023 20:50:21 GMT
I'll leave you to congratulate each other in your ignorance.
Just a passing comment.
Its innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 23, 2023 20:54:18 GMT
GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, in a way. But, you know, history doesn’t repeat itself exactly twice. What I did warn about when I testified in front of Congress in 2002, I said if you want to worry about a state, it shouldn’t be Iraq, it should be Iran. But this government, our administration, wanted to worry about Iraq, not Iran. I knew why, because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, “We’re going to war with Iraq? Why?” He said, “I don’t know.” He said, “I guess they don’t know what else to do.” So I said, “Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?” He said, “No, no.” He says, “There’s nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.” He said, “I guess it’s like we don’t know what to do about terrorists, but we’ve got a good military and we can take down governments.” And he said, “I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.” So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!” www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166
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Post by sheepy on Jul 23, 2023 20:57:43 GMT
Well not wanting to take you far down the rabbit hole, but strange that Blair has lived a charmed existence ever since as well as becoming filthy rich with many fingers in many pies also. Yes, you don't have to be a mastermind to work out the Bush/Blair pact, smarmy, slimy, Blair is now a 'multimillionaire' with blood on his hands, but he doesn't give a flying fuck about that, he's spearheading Labour and grooming Starmer, Blair not only a war criminal but a active war criminal, because the establishment have knighted him, and rewarded him knowing he will never reveal the truth, or him and his family will be wiped out............ the low life scumbag. Well I can't say much about it, but he was cheap in the bigger picture because they already had so much on him.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 21:05:46 GMT
Yes, you don't have to be a mastermind to work out the Bush/Blair pact, smarmy, slimy, Blair is now a 'multimillionaire' with blood on his hands, but he doesn't give a flying fuck about that, he's spearheading Labour and grooming Starmer, Blair not only a war criminal but a active war criminal, because the establishment have knighted him, and rewarded him knowing he will never reveal the truth, or him and his family will be wiped out............ the low life scumbag. Well I can't say much about it, but he was cheap in the bigger picture because they already haY The poster boy Labour pinup leader Blair, who turned out to be the Devil in disguise, a wolf in sheep's clothing, and the loony leftie woke snowflakes think Labour is the party to vote for, ...... Blair/Labour being one of the most controversial war mongering political party of all time, the woke snowflake loons need to read into Labour's track record, they will soon discover the Tories are the good guys.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 23, 2023 21:11:30 GMT
Well I can't say much about it, but he was cheap in the bigger picture because they already haY The poster boy Labour pinup leader Blair, who turned out to be the Devil in disguise, a wolf in sheep's clothing, and the loony leftie woke snowflakes think Labour is the party to vote for, ...... Blair/Labour being one of the most controversial war mongering political party of all time, the woke snowflake loons need to read into Labour's track record, they will soon discover the Tories are the good guys. I think you will find the majority have worked out the good guys are in very short supply.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 23, 2023 21:21:42 GMT
I cant believe that, 2 decades later, there are people who are still convinced there were WMD's in Iraq.. Blairs spin must have been much more powerful than I thought..
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Post by Bentley on Jul 23, 2023 21:44:31 GMT
I cant believe that, 2 decades later, there are people who are still convinced there were WMD's in Iraq.. Blairs spin must have been much more powerful than I thought.. The cult of Blair , the cult of Greta . There is a pattern.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 24, 2023 6:03:26 GMT
All carefully designed to sucker the gullible.
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 6:21:11 GMT
Errrr I'm sure the weapons inspectors know better than you.
They never found ONE WMD, so I know, and they know there were NO WMD, the inspectors now know better, they were on a wild goose chase, the WMD had long long gone, it was just Blair/Bush LYING.
Because they couldn't find any, it didn't exist. Yeah sure that works. Sigh. christ almighty. As ever zany in his puerile defence of new labour is reduced to arguing black is white.
When you make a claim that something exists , its down to you to prove it. If you cant , then your claim is dismissed and ridiculed , as what happened to blairs disasterous government regarding WMD in Iraq.
Hence why you flip flop between claiming WMD was the reason for the iraq invasion , and the....but ....but ...but ....saddam had to be removed as he was a monster ......desperate plea.
You new labour worshipers like see 2 red rum and sid are so far out on a limb regarding your puerile defence of new labour past and present you are like a hilarious comedy act on this forum. The four of you are dong a sterling job of turning people off voting for new labour , so keep up the bad work zany.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 24, 2023 6:27:19 GMT
Because they couldn't find any, it didn't exist. Yeah sure that works. Sigh. christ almighty. As ever zany in his puerile defence of new labour is reduced to arguing black is white.
When you make a claim that something exists , its down to you to prove it. If you cant , then your claim is dismissed and ridiculed , as what happened to blairs disasterous government regarding WMD in Iraq.
Hence why you flip flop between claiming WMD was the reason for the iraq invasion , and the....but ....but ...but ....saddam had to be removed as he was a monster ......desperate plea.
You new labour worshipers like see 2 red rum and sid are so far out on a limb regarding your puerile defence of new labour past and present you are like a hilarious comedy act on this forum. The four of you are dong a sterling job of turning people off voting for new labour , so keep up the bad work zany.
I have been laughing since they decided Gordon Brown was the saviour of all saviours. When in reality like Blair there is nobody he hasn't fecked over to get where he got.
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 6:32:47 GMT
christ almighty. As ever zany in his puerile defence of new labour is reduced to arguing black is white.
When you make a claim that something exists , its down to you to prove it. If you cant , then your claim is dismissed and ridiculed , as what happened to blairs disasterous government regarding WMD in Iraq.
Hence why you flip flop between claiming WMD was the reason for the iraq invasion , and the....but ....but ...but ....saddam had to be removed as he was a monster ......desperate plea.
You new labour worshipers like see 2 red rum and sid are so far out on a limb regarding your puerile defence of new labour past and present you are like a hilarious comedy act on this forum. The four of you are dong a sterling job of turning people off voting for new labour , so keep up the bad work zany.
I have been laughing since they decided Gordon Brown was the saviour of all saviours. When in reality like Blair there is nobody he hasn't fecked over to get where he got. Blair lost labour holyrood in 2007 , and then browns mucker jim muphy and his boss milliband lost labour scotlands westmisnter seats. I love the blairites and brownites.
Listening to zany and co waffle on about the bad old days under blair reminds me of someone who loves a sixties band , but none of the original members are left in the band and the music is 60 years out of date never to return to being popular.
Gordon brown is a figure of ridicule in scotland sheepy , as i told you before , constantly punted by the press as some clunking fist oracle of truth and wisdom who is laughed at. My cousin used to live in his constituency , and she told me he jumped ship just before the locals gave him the boot. Clown of the highest order.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 24, 2023 6:39:34 GMT
I have been laughing since they decided Gordon Brown was the saviour of all saviours. When in reality like Blair there is nobody he hasn't fecked over to get where he got. Blair lost labour holyrood in 2007 , and then browns mucker jim muphy and his boss milliband lost labour scotlands westmisnter seats. I love the blairites and brownites.
Listening to zany and co waffle on about the bad old days under blair reminds me of someone who loves a sixties band , but none of the original members are left in the band and the music is 60 years out of date never to return to being popular.
Gordon brown is a figure of ridicule in scotland sheepy , as i told you before , constantly punted by the press as some clunking fist oracle of truth and wisdom who is laughed at. My cousin used to live in his constituency , and she told me he jumped ship just before the locals gave him the boot. Clown of the highest order.
I like see2 the best, if anyone could create a bad atmosphere around new Labour and boost the Tories he must be it, I am still in two minds if he is actually that dumb or just trolling new labour.
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 6:41:11 GMT
Blair lost labour holyrood in 2007 , and then browns mucker jim muphy and his boss milliband lost labour scotlands westmisnter seats. I love the blairites and brownites.
Listening to zany and co waffle on about the bad old days under blair reminds me of someone who loves a sixties band , but none of the original members are left in the band and the music is 60 years out of date never to return to being popular.
Gordon brown is a figure of ridicule in scotland sheepy , as i told you before , constantly punted by the press as some clunking fist oracle of truth and wisdom who is laughed at. My cousin used to live in his constituency , and she told me he jumped ship just before the locals gave him the boot. Clown of the highest order.
I like see2 the best, if anyone could create a bad atmosphere around new Labour and boost the Tories he must be it, I am still in two minds if he is actually that dumb or just trolling new labour. apart from the four new labour comedians on here , irvine welsh is noticing how big a comedian keir starmer is.......
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 24, 2023 6:42:52 GMT
The fact we couldn't find it does NOT mean it didn't exist, just that we couldn't find it. So what one is it?
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Post by thomas on Jul 24, 2023 6:49:18 GMT
The fact we couldn't find it does NOT mean it didn't exist, just that we couldn't find it. So what one is it? i wouldnt waste your breath pacifico. In zanys mind , he is an extremely smart machiavellian who is scoring point after point in his defence of new labour and tony blair. In the real world though , if you look at this thread , he is simultaneously arguing for example at the top of this page blair is innocent until proven guilty , while arguin that saddam is guilty of having WMD until proven innocent.
Too smart for us these new labour supporters.
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