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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 16:49:29 GMT
The war in Iraq Iran had fuck all to do with the West.
Territorial world wars have been fought since time began, just like the Putin war raging now, it's none of our business to get involved, but Blair/Bush LIED so they could invade and manipulate the outcome.
The Iran–Iraq War was an armed conflict between Iran and Iraq that lasted from September 1980 to August 1988. It began with the Iraqi invasion of Iran and lasted for almost eight years, until the acceptance of United Nations Security Council Resolution 598 by both sides.
Blair/Bush are war criminals guilty of mass deaths and casualties, and that is a FACT.
Very poor dodge, You clearly stated. So now we know Bush/Blair war had far more deaths and casualties than any war Saddam Hussein caused,You can't get your figures straight so now you're trying to change your argument. Man up and fess up. The 1980-1988 Iran Iraq war was not solely down to Hussein, it was a territorial war of both sides, if a war broke out between North/South Korea it has nothing to do with the West, just like Iraq Iran conflict, it would cause another war if the West intervened without legitimately cause, and the only way Bush/Blair could intervene in Iraq is by LYING so they could legitimately intervene, which we now know they LIED, so the war was based on a lie, and was ILLEGAL.
I know that
YOU know that
WE ALL know that
F A C T.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 23, 2023 17:12:48 GMT
Well we went to Polands aid when they were invaded because we have a Treaty with them. Whether we should have had that Treaty has been argued about since the day it was signed. Your other point about global stability and stopping things before they go too far sounds exactly like being the worlds policeman which is a role I have no interest in the UK carrying out. So you think the reason we went to war with Germany is because we had a treaty with Poland. You really need to read a good history book. we declared war on Germany because... "... in the event of any action which clearly threatened Polish independence, and which the Polish Government accordingly considered it vital to resist with their national forces, His Majesty's Government would feel themselves bound at once to lend the Polish Government all support in their power. They have given the Polish Government an assurance to this effect. I may add that the French Government have authorised me to make it plain that they stand in the same position in this matter as do His Majesty's Government." |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 23, 2023 17:38:39 GMT
So what have we gleaned?
Well, Zanys position is essentially that a lack of evidence isn't evidence of a lack.
Which isn't generally an unreasonable position to adopt. But throw in Blair's habitual lying, the dodgy dossier, the suspicious death of a whistle blower, regime change, the death of Hussein and 20 years worth of inspections failing to find the alleged evidence and it's more likely than not that it never actually existed.
Secondly, as usual, Zanys virtue signalling was empty: He doesn't care who dies as long as it's for a cause he believes in.
So far, so square one.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 23, 2023 18:41:49 GMT
Very poor dodge, You clearly stated. So now we know Bush/Blair war had far more deaths and casualties than any war Saddam Hussein caused,You can't get your figures straight so now you're trying to change your argument. Man up and fess up. The 1980-1988 Iran Iraq war was not solely down to Hussein, it was a territorial war of both sides, if a war broke out between North/South Korea it has nothing to do with the West, just like Iraq Iran conflict, it would cause another war if the West intervened without legitimately cause, and the only way Bush/Blair could intervene in Iraq is by LYING so they could legitimately intervene, which we now know they LIED, so the war was based on a lie, and was ILLEGAL.
I know that
YOU know that
WE ALL know that
F A C T.
Firstly the Iraq Iran war was started by Saddam Hussein full stop. He feared Iran would try to introduce religious extremism into Iraq so he attacked first. It had nothing to do with territory. Secondly, the west did not intervene in that war, but they did witness Saddam using chemical weapons. (That was in 1980) It was much later (1990) after Saddam had invaded Kuwait and with warnings that he was developing a super gun with parts supplied by Germany that he was put on notice to stop. The weapons inspectors were in the country for a further 7 years before the allies had had enough. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 19:03:01 GMT
The 1980-1988 Iran Iraq war was not solely down to Hussein, it was a territorial war of both sides, if a war broke out between North/South Korea it has nothing to do with the West, just like Iraq Iran conflict, it would cause another war if the West intervened without legitimately cause, and the only way Bush/Blair could intervene in Iraq is by LYING so they could legitimately intervene, which we now know they LIED, so the war was based on a lie, and was ILLEGAL.
I know that
YOU know that
WE ALL know that
F A C T.
Firstly the Iraq Iran war was started by Saddam Hussein full stop. He feared Iran would try to introduce religious extremism into Iraq so he attacked first. It had nothing to do with territory. Secondly, the west did not intervene in that war, but they did witness Saddam using chemical weapons. (That was in 1980) It was much later (1990) after Saddam had invaded Kuwait and with warnings that he was developing a super gun with parts supplied by Germany that he was put on notice to stop. The weapons inspectors were in the country for a further 7 years before the allies had had enough. You've just stated that the Iraq Iran conflict was 1980-1988, the Blair/Bush invasion of Iraq was ...
The U.S.-led coalition sent 160,000 troops into Iraq during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 1 May 2003. About 73% or 130,000 soldiers were American, with about 45,000 British soldiers (25%), 2,000 Australian soldiers (1%), and 194 Polish soldiers (0.1%)
Even you can do the maths, 1988 (end of conflict)-2003, 2003 when the UK/US illegally invaded Iraq, they invaded on the grounds of WMD, and I've now lost count how many time myself, and other posters have pointed out to you, NO WMD were ever found after the end of the conflict 1988, Blair/Bush LIED so they could have a valid reason to invade Iraq, now we know it was LIES, and I am not going to repeat it over and over and over again, you are either severely dense, or just being in denial.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 23, 2023 19:20:13 GMT
Firstly the Iraq Iran war was started by Saddam Hussein full stop. He feared Iran would try to introduce religious extremism into Iraq so he attacked first. It had nothing to do with territory. Secondly, the west did not intervene in that war, but they did witness Saddam using chemical weapons. (That was in 1980) It was much later (1990) after Saddam had invaded Kuwait and with warnings that he was developing a super gun with parts supplied by Germany that he was put on notice to stop. The weapons inspectors were in the country for a further 7 years before the allies had had enough. You've just stated that the Iraq Iran conflict was 1980-1988, the Blair/Bush invasion of Iraq was ...
The U.S.-led coalition sent 160,000 troops into Iraq during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 1 May 2003. About 73% or 130,000 soldiers were American, with about 45,000 British soldiers (25%), 2,000 Australian soldiers (1%), and 194 Polish soldiers (0.1%)
Even you can do the maths, 1988 (end of conflict)-2003, 2003 when the UK/US illegally invaded Iraq, they invaded on the grounds of WMD, and I've now lost count how many time myself, and other posters have pointed out to you, NO WMD were ever found after the end of the conflict 1988, Blair/Bush LIED so they could have a valid reason to invade Iraq, now we know it was LIES, and I am not going to repeat it over and over and over again, you are either severely dense, or just being in denial.
Jeez learn to read. Iraq Iran war 1980. Kuwait invasion 1990. Gulf war 2003. So the invasion had nothing to do with the Iraq Iran war as I said. As regards WMD. WE KNEW HE HAD IT BECAUSE HE USED IT. AS IN USED IT TO KILL PEOPLE SO HE MUST HAVE HAD IT.
The weapons inspectors were sent in to ensure it was destroyed but Saddam refused repeatedly to assist the inspectors despite their discovery of evidence it still existed. READ BLIX REPORT. The fact we couldn't find it does NOT mean it didn't exist, just that we couldn't find it. I've had years of folks like you make the most ridiculous uneducated claims about using ground penetrating radar to find it buried in the vast desert. Without any knowledge (Or worse bothering to look it up) of how GPR works. The reason Blair was found innocent 3 separate times is because he was innocent, but you have told yourself the story so many times you believe it. But your whole crappy premise is based on the fact they couldn't find the WMD hidden in a country of 175,000 square miles of which 75,000 square miles is desert. And you think I'm deluded. Sigh. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2023 19:29:30 GMT
The fact that there were NO WMDs and the US/UK walked in an flattened the regime is proof that Zanygame is full of shit.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 23, 2023 19:52:54 GMT
You've just stated that the Iraq Iran conflict was 1980-1988, the Blair/Bush invasion of Iraq was ...
The U.S.-led coalition sent 160,000 troops into Iraq during the initial invasion phase, which lasted from 19 March to 1 May 2003. About 73% or 130,000 soldiers were American, with about 45,000 British soldiers (25%), 2,000 Australian soldiers (1%), and 194 Polish soldiers (0.1%)
Even you can do the maths, 1988 (end of conflict)-2003, 2003 when the UK/US illegally invaded Iraq, they invaded on the grounds of WMD, and I've now lost count how many time myself, and other posters have pointed out to you, NO WMD were ever found after the end of the conflict 1988, Blair/Bush LIED so they could have a valid reason to invade Iraq, now we know it was LIES, and I am not going to repeat it over and over and over again, you are either severely dense, or just being in denial.
Jeez learn to read. Iraq Iran war 1980. Kuwait invasion 1990. Gulf war 2003. So the invasion had nothing to do with the Iraq Iran war as I said. As regards WMD. WE KNEW HE HAD IT BECAUSE HE USED IT. AS IN USED IT TO KILL PEOPLE SO HE MUST HAVE HAD IT.
The weapons inspectors were sent in to ensure it was destroyed but Saddam refused repeatedly to assist the inspectors despite their discovery of evidence it still existed. READ BLIX REPORT. The fact we couldn't find it does NOT mean it didn't exist, just that we couldn't find it. I've had years of folks like you make the most ridiculous uneducated claims about using ground penetrating radar to find it buried in the vast desert. Without any knowledge (Or worse bothering to look it up) of how GPR works. The reason Blair was found innocent 3 separate times is because he was innocent, but you have told yourself the story so many times you believe it. But your whole crappy premise is based on the fact they couldn't find the WMD hidden in a country of 175,000 square miles of which 75,000 square miles is desert. And you think I'm deluded. Sigh. That Hussein had chemical weapons in the 1980s is not disputed. It has never been proved that had he had them at the time and in the quantities claimed that were used to justify Gulf War 2. And no such evidence has ever been disclosed. You were lied to. We all were. We wised up. You haven't. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 20:03:11 GMT
Well I'm going to put the cat among the pigeons, I believe the Bush mafia were behind the 9/11 attack.. Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle. After his presidency was over, Bush and a number of his former cabinet officers also began participating in the Carlyle Group, a giant private equity firm heavily funded by Saudi billionaires – including the Saudi family of Osama bin Laden
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Post by sheepy on Jul 23, 2023 20:20:26 GMT
Well I'm going to put the cat among the pigeons, I believe the Bush mafia were behind the 9/11 attack.. Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle. After his presidency was over, Bush and a number of his former cabinet officers also began participating in the Carlyle Group, a giant private equity firm heavily funded by Saudi billionaires – including the Saudi family of Osama bin Laden
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Oooh who incidentally the whole part of the family who might have had some answers all died in their private jet crash. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 20:29:29 GMT
Well I'm going to put the cat among the pigeons, I believe the Bush mafia were behind the 9/11 attack.. Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington, DC. The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle. After his presidency was over, Bush and a number of his former cabinet officers also began participating in the Carlyle Group, a giant private equity firm heavily funded by Saudi billionaires – including the Saudi family of Osama bin Laden
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Oooh who incidentally the whole part of the family who might have had some answers all died in their private jet crash. Yes, the Bush mafia are renown for doing away with pests. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 23, 2023 20:39:28 GMT
Oooh who incidentally the whole part of the family who might have had some answers all died in their private jet crash. Yes, the Bush mafia are renown for doing away with pests. Well not wanting to take you far down the rabbit hole, but strange that Blair has lived a charmed existence ever since as well as becoming filthy rich with many fingers in many pies also. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 23, 2023 20:45:22 GMT
Yes, the Bush mafia are renown for doing away with pests. Well not wanting to take you far down the rabbit hole, but strange that Blair has lived a charmed existence ever since as well as becoming filthy rich with many fingers in many pies also. Yes, you don't have to be a mastermind to work out the Bush/Blair pact, smarmy, slimy, Blair is now a 'multimillionaire' with blood on his hands, but he doesn't give a flying fuck about that, he's spearheading Labour and grooming Starmer, Blair not only a war criminal but a active war criminal, because the establishment have knighted him, and rewarded him knowing he will never reveal the truth, or him and his family will be wiped out............ the low life scumbag. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 23, 2023 20:47:04 GMT
The fact that there were NO WMDs and the US/UK walked in an flattened the regime is proof that Zanygame is full of shit. In your shallow world. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2023 20:49:58 GMT
The fact that there were NO WMDs and the US/UK walked in an flattened the regime is proof that Zanygame is full of shit. In your shallow world. In the real world. How you can support a liar who made millions on the death and destruction that followed is an evil that is way beyond me. |
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