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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2023 11:59:29 GMT
Does Mrs R get to decide for herself who she votes for? We're not Muslims, Rackham Towers is a democracy. Mrs R votes for whoever she wishes. |
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Post by dappy on Jul 20, 2023 12:08:11 GMT
Its good to know just how liberated you are Red. Odd then that according to your posts, she always seems to vote the same way as you.
Out of interest does she have her own little flag in the garden too?
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 20, 2023 12:10:25 GMT
Its good to know just how liberated you are Red. Odd then that according to your posts, she always seems to vote the same way as you. Out of interest does she have her own little flag in the garden too? That maybe because she's a Conservative, and I'm not even a detective. |
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Post by dappy on Jul 20, 2023 12:18:37 GMT
You're not a detective?? Eh?
You didn't answer about the flag?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2023 13:09:22 GMT
Orac But ....but ...but ...Rishi's substantial political stance is to 'Beat Starmer's Labour!', and making him Party Leader, and thereby Prime Minister, was a sure-fire way to 'Keep Brexit Safe'.... even smarmy Liam Fox endorsed Little Richy for the top job. Are you suggesting the messages on those placards weren't worth the cardboard they were written on ?   It looks like a daytime gameshow. I feel nothing but embarrassment for them and that's before addressing how insulting it looks to the country. |
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Post by vlk on Jul 23, 2023 17:21:09 GMT
It's 1997 all over again for the Tories. Later there will be 2010 all over again for Labour. Perhaps in 2037.
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Post by patman post on Jul 23, 2023 17:36:35 GMT
It's 1997 all over again for the Tories. Later there will be 2010 all over again for Labour. Perhaps in 2037. Could be — but Starmer is no Blair. He might grow into the role. His politics seem Blairite and he's (temporarily?) rid himself of Corbyn, just as Blair got rid of disrupting Left elements, only to have to suffer Livingstone as Mayor of London.
It's all to play for, and a couple of terms in opposition might force the Tories away from being the crooked populists they've become...
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Post by sheepy on Jul 24, 2023 6:16:47 GMT
It's 1997 all over again for the Tories. Later there will be 2010 all over again for Labour. Perhaps in 2037. Could be — but Starmer is no Blair. He might grow into the role. His politics seem Blairite and he's (temporarily?) rid himself of Corbyn, just as Blair got rid of disrupting Left elements, only to have to suffer Livingstone as Mayor of London.
It's all to play for, and a couple of terms in opposition might force the Tories away from being the crooked populists they've become...
Oh dear Pat seems to think populism is the root of all of his problems, I somehow doubt it is, because he had that chip on his shoulder long before populism came along. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 7:42:15 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jul 24, 2023 7:46:40 GMT
It's 1997 all over again for the Tories. Later there will be 2010 all over again for Labour. Perhaps in 2037. Could be — but Starmer is no Blair. He might grow into the role. His politics seem Blairite and he's (temporarily?) rid himself of Corbyn, just as Blair got rid of disrupting Left elements, only to have to suffer Livingstone as Mayor of London.
It's all to play for, and a couple of terms in opposition might force the Tories away from being the crooked populists they've become...
He doesn't need to be Blair. Blair did the heavy lifting preparing the infrastructure ready for the 1000 year managerialism Reich. By the time Blair left office, no matter who you voted for, you would still get the Blair managerial infrastructure. It now just needs someone to put the capstone on and make it impossible to change with a heap of constitutional amendments. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 24, 2023 7:55:34 GMT
When is ‘the last minute’ ? December i guess. And the best quote in there is from the jerk who helped john major lose to blair ‘The sooner we hold an election the sooner we will be back in power after a spell in opposition’. Its clear they need Starmer to tank the economy in order to get back in favour. In many ways it’s a shame Boris and the Tories had the job of seeing off Covid. Had Corbyn won in 2019 Britain would not have an illegal immigration problem everyone here would be trying to claim asylum in Sudan. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 24, 2023 7:58:10 GMT
Hanging on is the best tactic, with Starmers track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 24, 2023 11:14:43 GMT
I did read somewhere that the Tories can take some heart from keeping Uxbridge. If they want a top tip from this they're better off protective living standards rather than attacking them.
However, 'safe hands' Rishi has steered the electorate rudderlessly into the hands of Starmer. FML.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 11:31:13 GMT
Does it really matter who gets in at the next GE? Whoever sets foot in number 10 will start out as some kind of saint and saviour but before long will once again be vilified for not doing or doing what people/pundits want. Surely the biggest problem is that we have a set of politicians who really have no world ready attributes. Rishi if he stays in post long enough is just ineffectual and Starmer is will-o-the-wisp who will say or do whatever it takes to stay in power.
Both of these parties are split almost terminally. The Libdems will meddle enough if given enough seats, to wreck whatever is proposed and we have a population so dismayed generally by local, national and world wide failings that nothing that inhabits Westminster is going to be seen as good enough. Who has the chutzpa, the vision or quality anywhere in our political sphere to actually make any real difference? We are in for a very bumpy ride for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
When is ‘the last minute’ ? December i guess. And the best quote in there is from the jerk who helped john major lose to blair ‘The sooner we hold an election the sooner we will be back in power after a spell in opposition’. Its clear they need Starmer to tank the economy in order to get back in favour. In many ways it’s a shame Boris and the Tories had the job of seeing off Covid. Had Corbyn won in 2019 Britain would not have an illegal immigration problem everyone here would be trying to claim asylum in Sudan. At this weekends Labour Policy Forum in Nottingham, delegates voted in favour of sticking to Keir Starmers promise NOT to commit to any policies which cannot be funded. The final policy document will now go forward to form the basis of the 2024 General Election Manifesto, much to the annoyance of far Left groups such as Momentum ( do they still exist ? ), and the more militant unions such as UNITE. This is reminiscent of the early Blair era, where the Labour Party went into the 1997 general election on a promise to stick within tight fiscal rules. If the Tories did happen to get back into power next year, I wonder if we will have any NHS left after another 5 years of their rule, and maybe ambulance response time might become 6 hours instead of the present 3 hours, maybe waiting lists will reach 14 million instead of todays 7 million. |
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