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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 19, 2023 6:28:58 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66231722Probably the best quote in that link is  I find it hard to disagree That, plus Fishi and Truss going head to head instead of everyone joining forces to kick the energy price rises into touch the way the French did (oh wait, they were able to keep rises in France to 4% by increasing costs by 400% - 4000% for the businesses in the UK they were allowed - by the tories - to buy the ability to supply to) shows Downing St don’t actually give a flying one how hard they lose next year.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 6:53:16 GMT
And, as I've said previously, Labour will offer no real difference.
"Labour may not be able to afford to reverse “lots of bad policies”, a senior MP has warned, amid party divisions over Sir Keir Starmer’s plans to keep the two-child benefit cap in place.
Shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell said on Tuesday that there is “no money left” for the party to roll out all the reforms it would like to if it wins the next general election."
And of course, they'll still be blaming the Tories decades later. If they manage to win a majority, which they probably won't.
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Post by see2 on Jul 19, 2023 8:49:51 GMT
And, as I've said previously, Labour will offer no real difference.
"Labour may not be able to afford to reverse “lots of bad policies”, a senior MP has warned, amid party divisions over Sir Keir Starmer’s plans to keep the two-child benefit cap in place.
Shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell said on Tuesday that there is “no money left” for the party to roll out all the reforms it would like to if it wins the next general election."
And of course, they'll still be blaming the Tories decades later. If they manage to win a majority, which they probably won't.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 19, 2023 8:51:08 GMT
And, as I've said previously, Labour will offer no real difference.
"Labour may not be able to afford to reverse “lots of bad policies”, a senior MP has warned, amid party divisions over Sir Keir Starmer’s plans to keep the two-child benefit cap in place.
Shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell said on Tuesday that there is “no money left” for the party to roll out all the reforms it would like to if it wins the next general election."
And of course, they'll still be blaming the Tories decades later. If they manage to win a majority, which they probably won't.
Your clearly biased opinions don't carry much weight. neither do yours. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 10:11:12 GMT
I have been thinking of what would be an acceptable result for the Conservatives, and I reckon that holding on to these seats, even by the skin of their teeth would be seen as ... bad but acceptable. I suppose we could say that holding onto the seats with a much reduced majority could be seen as "mid term blues".
However, to lose these seats, two of which have 20,000 majorities, would hasten the panic which has already set into the Conservative Party, resulting in a long list of MPs who have announced that they are standing down at the next general election - Jump Before They Are Pushed.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 10:11:17 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over.
The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 19, 2023 10:17:55 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over. The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy. Possibly, but they could shoot themselves in the foot if disastrous Starmer flops at the next GE. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 10:18:29 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over. The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy. Possibly, but they could shoot themselves in the foot if disastrous Starmer flops at the next GE. Yes, the downside would be winning. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 19, 2023 10:25:45 GMT
Possibly, but they could shoot themselves in the foot if disastrous Starmer flops at the next GE. Yes, the downside would be winning. LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 12:36:55 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over. The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy. It worries me when someone suggests a totally idiotic 'plan' in the case that the the Tories lose. For someone that attacks Labour on anything to suggest that the Tories 'knobble' an incoming 'Labour government is the talk of an idiot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the action of a fool. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 19, 2023 12:56:42 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over. The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy. It worries me when someone suggests a totally idiotic 'plan' in the case that the the Tories lose. For someone that attacks Labour on anything to suggest that the Tories 'knobble' an incoming 'Labour government is the talk of an idiot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the action of a fool. Because Labour would never do that now, would they? Now I realise that you're a tad doolally, but some of us can remember Liam Byrne's 2010 note to his successor: "There's no money left"
And I wouldn't put it past the Tories to do the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 13:15:29 GMT
It strikes me that if the Tories really are anticipating electoral wipe-out then they could opt to stymie any incoming Labour government. All that's required is to up spending commitments to the point that there's nothing left over. The recent public sector pay rises might even be the start. Not a bad strategy. It worries me when someone suggests a totally idiotic 'plan' in the case that the the Tories lose. For someone that attacks Labour on anything to suggest that the Tories 'knobble' an incoming 'Labour government is the talk of an idiot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the action of a fool.Won't you look a bit funny without a nose? I wonder what your fellow highly principled Corbynites think about you being in bed with the Blair-Starmer. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 19, 2023 13:35:34 GMT
And, as I've said previously, Labour will offer no real difference.
"Labour may not be able to afford to reverse “lots of bad policies”, a senior MP has warned, amid party divisions over Sir Keir Starmer’s plans to keep the two-child benefit cap in place.
Shadow culture secretary Lucy Powell said on Tuesday that there is “no money left” for the party to roll out all the reforms it would like to if it wins the next general election."
And of course, they'll still be blaming the Tories decades later. If they manage to win a majority, which they probably won't.
Your clearly biased opinions don't carry much weight. But it's true, the more Starmer says the more obvious it becomes that a centrist Labour government will be much the same as a centrist Tory government. Starmer is desperate to rid Labour of the reputation of being an economy wrecking high borrowing party, and that will massively reduce his ability to announce big spending plans. Just yesterday Harman was at pains to point out that Starmer backtracked on his £28 billion a year 'green revolution' because he cant make spending promises that cant be funded. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 13:53:21 GMT
It worries me when someone suggests a totally idiotic 'plan' in the case that the the Tories lose. For someone that attacks Labour on anything to suggest that the Tories 'knobble' an incoming 'Labour government is the talk of an idiot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the action of a fool. Because Labour would never do that now, would they? Now I realise that you're a tad doolally, but some of us can remember Liam Byrne's 2010 note to his successor: "There's no money left"
And I wouldn't put it past the Tories to do the same.
So you are saying Labour deliberately spent all the money to spite the Tories? You are more deranged than I thought you were. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2023 13:54:11 GMT
It worries me when someone suggests a totally idiotic 'plan' in the case that the the Tories lose. For someone that attacks Labour on anything to suggest that the Tories 'knobble' an incoming 'Labour government is the talk of an idiot. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is the action of a fool.Won't you look a bit funny without a nose? I wonder what your fellow highly principled Corbynites think about you being in bed with the Blair-Starmer. You see what you want to see not what is actually there.😔 |
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