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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:44:01 GMT
Ok . yes the mail will probably have edited his words, so the original article would be better. That said. Professor Collins actually said they have no evidence that global warming is the cause of why the jet stream got stuck in one place this summer. NOT that it has no effect on the jet stream.
I'd agree with that. Global warming changes the position of the circulatory cells and these control the position of the jet stream. But there is no reason I know as to why that would fix it in one place for so long. What it did mean is that when it did get stuck it stuck a place you wouldn't expect without climate change. Not in the article you linked he didn't. I searched the article for the exact phrase you quote above and found nothing. What he did say is. Professor Collins told The Mail on Sunday: ‘There is no evidence that global warming can cause the jet stream to get stuck in the way it has this winter. If this is due to climate change, it is outside our knowledge.’ Except he didn't say it. Blah blah, I know better than you blah blah. Except Professor Collins said nothing like the words you attribute to him, even with the twists the Mail tried to put on it. That you get your info from the Mail and even then have to 'adjust' it simply devalues it. I'm sure you don't. All those human beings drying out the forests. Sigh. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:46:03 GMT
Yes climate change has been happening for several decades. Climate change does not mean slightly more tress burn every year. Its a trend. when there's no forests left the numbers burning will really plummet. Well thats going to be a while as the area covered by forests is increasing..yes in some areas forests are declining, but that is offset by increases somewhere else. For example forests in the EU have increased by 10% since 1990.  Global land change from 1982 to 2016Yes, a good news story bought to you by the climate change believers. The planting of millions of trees. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 8:27:50 GMT
REAL Scientists look beyond climate change and El Nino for other factors that heat up Earth A hiker walks past the Hole-in-the-Rock at Papago Park during sunrise July 17, 2023, in Phoenix. Scientists say by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is human-caused climate change and a natural El Nino. But some say there’s got to be something more. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin, File) © Provided by The Associated Press
Scientists are wondering if global warming and El Nino have an accomplice in fueling this summer’s record-shattering heat. The European climate agency Copernicus reported that July was one-third of a degree Celsius (six-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit) hotter than the old record. That’s a bump in heat that is so recent and so big, especially in the oceans and even more so in the North Atlantic, that scientists are split on whether something else could be at work. Scientists agree that by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is climate change from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas that has triggered a long upward trend in temperatures. A natural El Nino, a temporary warming of parts of the Pacific that changes weather worldwide, adds a smaller boost. But some researchers say another factor must be present.
One surprising source of added warmth could be cleaner air resulting from new shipping rules. Its a weird quirk but cleaner air has caused a short term increase in temperature because sulphur reflect ultraviolet light back into space. So what do you think all the plastic in our oceans do? I find it very strange how the bumburhers ignore that threat. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 10, 2023 11:36:38 GMT
Sorry Zany but you're talking nonsense. I quoted what Prof Collins said and you seem to think you know better. Your arrogance is getting ridiculous. Like I said you understand nothing about science and nothing about climate and you're spouting disinformation. He said that the position of the Jet Stream is not affected by global warming. The simple fact is that the behaviour of the Jet Stream - and almost everything else in relation to the Earth's system - isn't understood.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 12:47:36 GMT
One surprising source of added warmth could be cleaner air resulting from new shipping rules. Its a weird quirk but cleaner air has caused a short term increase in temperature because sulphur reflect ultraviolet light back into space. So what do you think all the plastic in our oceans do? I find it very strange how the bumburhers ignore that threat. Why don't you tell me how plastic waste adds to climate change. Oh no wait, you don't do facts do you. You just do shouting. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 13:02:54 GMT
So what do you think all the plastic in our oceans do? I find it very strange how the bumburhers ignore that threat. Oh no wait, you don't do facts do you. You just do shouting. I have many times but you just ignore facts.....It increases the oceans acidity..... |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 17:05:53 GMT
Why don't you tell me how plastic waste adds to climate change. Oh no wait, you don't do facts do you. You just do shouting. I have many times but you just ignore facts.....It increases the oceans acidity..... By a very tiny amount compared to the increasing acidity caused by Co2 concentrations. So I'll focus on them first thank you. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 17:09:40 GMT
I have many times but you just ignore facts.....It increases the oceans acidity..... By a very tiny amount compared to the increasing acidity caused by Co2 concentrations. So I'll focus on them first thank you. But it is far from a small amount as you well know. Why isn't bumburgher emphasizing that point? Just maybe she is allergic to high speed lead poisening as the chinese are the worst offenders. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 17:56:20 GMT
By a very tiny amount compared to the increasing acidity caused by Co2 concentrations. So I'll focus on them first thank you. But it is far from a small amount as you well know. Why isn't bumburgher emphasizing that point? Just maybe she is allergic to high speed lead poisening as the chinese are the worst offenders. No, I don't know that well. Feel free to speak for yourself but not for me. The amount of plastic waste to awful, but its a drop in the ocean. I would ask you for details, but you only do shouty. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 19:57:43 GMT
But it is far from a small amount as you well know. Why isn't bumburgher emphasizing that point? Just maybe she is allergic to high speed lead poisening as the chinese are the worst offenders. well. Feel free to speak for yourself but not for me. The amount of plastic waste to awful, but its a drop in the ocean. I would ask you for details, but you only do shouty. That seems the norm of the usual bumburghers. Yes some drop in the ocean aye what?
There is an estimated 75 to 199 million tons of plastic waste currently in our oceans, with a further 33 billion pounds of plastic entering the marine environment every single year. Every day around 8 million pieces of plastic makes their way into our oceans.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2023 20:29:48 GMT
Just to keep the kettle boiling, or the oceans if one likes, here is an interesting take. Skeptics may like it, warmists will hate it and dismiss it but it is worth initially 5 to 10 minutes of ones time and if one watches the video on the mechanisms of ocean warming and cooling and why the sun, not CO2, is the warming agent worth another 20 minutes or thereabouts. Hopefully the waverers will take account. Remember scepticism is the highest of duties, blind faith the one unpardonable sin. wattsupwiththat.com/2023/08/09/how-to-push-a-climate-hoax-10-turning-boring-statistics-into-a-hollywood-horror-show/ |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2023 20:35:26 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Aug 11, 2023 6:21:31 GMT
No, I don't know that well. Feel free to speak for yourself but not for me. The amount of plastic waste to awful, but its a drop in the ocean. I would ask you for details, but you only do shouty. That seems the norm of the usual bumburghers. Yes some drop in the ocean aye what?
There is an estimated 75 to 199 million tons of plastic waste currently in our oceans, with a further 33 billion pounds of plastic entering the marine environment every single year. Every day around 8 million pieces of plastic makes their way into our oceans.
That's half the equation. Next you need to calculate how much water in the oceans and then divide one by the other. I'm not saying plastic waste is OK, just that it has very little effect on climate change. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 11, 2023 6:33:43 GMT
That seems the norm of the usual bumburghers. Yes some drop in the ocean aye what?
There is an estimated 75 to 199 million tons of plastic waste currently in our oceans, with a further 33 billion pounds of plastic entering the marine environment every single year. Every day around 8 million pieces of plastic makes their way into our oceans.
That's half the equation. Next you need to calculate how much water in the oceans and then divide one by the other. I'm not saying plastic waste is OK, just that it has very little effect on climate change. What climate change? |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 11, 2023 6:38:06 GMT
That's half the equation. Next you need to calculate how much water in the oceans and then divide one by the other. I'm not saying plastic waste is OK, just that it has very little effect on climate change. What climate change? The one you said plastic waste was contributing to. You're really not very good at this are you. |
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