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Post by sandypine on Jul 14, 2023 20:35:47 GMT
It is forecast that the record high likely to be recorded in Death Valley over the weekend is going to be 131 degrees F. This is 3 degrees lower than the 'bogus' temperature readings taken in 1913 of 134. This reading was on approved weather bureau equipment in a Stevenson screen and placed in accordance with weather bureau instructions.
Some of the reasons for 'decertifying' this result are that it was an inexperienced operator, it was not possible for the temp to be at that level then, the cooling effect of the vegetation was negated by windblown sand which also increased the temperature readings and if I recall in the Guardian the weather equipment was less precise 100 years ago. This begs the question is why are we comparing the records then with what we have now and stating that everything is becoming hotter. Less precise means less precise.
With my cynical hat on one suspects that a 100 year old high temperature has to be struck from the records so that new records can come into being and a 'look how hot it is becoming' can be officially presented.
Is it any surprise that scepticism as regards the warming catastrophe is alive and well and becoming ever stronger.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 14, 2023 21:16:10 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 22:13:10 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Day to day, week to week, and month to month, weather will change, sometimes providing hot sunny weather, other times cooler and wetter weather. But that is just weather. Climate is generally a longer term meteorology measure, changes in which are measured by long term averages and any increases or decreases in the overall frequency and/or severity of extreme weather events. Even in a warmer climate there will still be localised cold snaps of below average temperatures from time to time. That's just weather. We have a low pressure dominating the UK at the moment and these are often associated with cooler, windier and wetter weather at this time of year. In southern Europe meanwhile, much of which was experiencing unseasonably high rainfalls whilst we were enjoying our June heatwave, they are now forecast to experience extreme heat. It is notable that cold snaps rarely break records for their coldness, but heatwaves frequently break records for their hotness, which is a clue to the overall climatic trend, as opposed to mere weather. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 15, 2023 5:34:16 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Day to day, week to week, and month to month, weather will change, sometimes providing hot sunny weather, other times cooler and wetter weather. But that is just weather. Climate is generally a longer term meteorology measure, changes in which are measured by long term averages and any increases or decreases in the overall frequency and/or severity of extreme weather events. Even in a warmer climate there will still be localised cold snaps of below average temperatures from time to time. That's just weather. We have a low pressure dominating the UK at the moment and these are often associated with cooler, windier and wetter weather at this time of year. In southern Europe meanwhile, much of which was experiencing unseasonably high rainfalls whilst we were enjoying our June heatwave, they are now forecast to experience extreme heat. It is notable that cold snaps rarely break records for their coldness, but heatwaves frequently break records for their hotness, which is a clue to the overall climatic trend, as opposed to mere weather. Obviously. Climate certainly is a "long term" issue and can't usually be determined over short periods of 150 years - especially when, as SP, reports that older temperature measurements are regarded as unreliable. Remember that the term for the current "change in the weather" used to be "Global warming" but that had to be abandoned when the weather stopped warming (the hiatus) for a long period over which the CO2 concentrations still went up. Calling it "Climate Change" means that the doom mongers can say it's climate change even if the weather isn't warming. But their problem then is that the scientists acknowledge that older weather readings are regarded as less accurate than modern readings - and they're often taken using completely different equipment in different locations - so comparison is very difficult. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 15, 2023 6:23:14 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Yes, it's funny that. When Spain has hotter than normal temperatures its 'climate change', yet when England has lower than normal temperatures its 'the weather'....  |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 15, 2023 6:48:21 GMT
I remember the insanely hot heatwave from last summer.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 8:24:03 GMT
You don't need to rely on earlier temperature readings to gauge climate change. One easily accessible method is to track the change in length and volume of glaciers and you don't need to go to Greenland to do that. The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, for example, has retreated almost 1300m since 1900. Pics here. |
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Post by borchester on Jul 15, 2023 8:34:45 GMT
You don't need to rely on earlier temperature readings to gauge climate change. One easily accessible method is to track the change in length and volume of glaciers and you don't need to go to Greenland to do that. The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, for example, has retreated almost 1300m since 1900. Pics here. And the Himalayas have melted.
New Scientist ran that for a decade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 10:12:07 GMT
You don't need to rely on earlier temperature readings to gauge climate change. One easily accessible method is to track the change in length and volume of glaciers and you don't need to go to Greenland to do that. The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, for example, has retreated almost 1300m since 1900. Pics here. You mean the glacier is still there?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 10:13:20 GMT
You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Yes, it's funny that. When Spain has hotter than normal temperatures its 'climate change', yet when England has lower than normal temperatures its 'the weather'.... It might have something to do with the fact that heatwaves are frequently breaking records whilst colder spells of weather very rarely do. Anyone with an open mind can see further evidence of average warming in that. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 15, 2023 10:33:37 GMT
Yes, it's funny that. When Spain has hotter than normal temperatures its 'climate change', yet when England has lower than normal temperatures its 'the weather'.... It might have something to do with the fact that heatwaves are frequently breaking records whilst colder spells of weather very rarely do. Anyone with an open mind can see further evidence of average warming in that. How long have they been recording? |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2023 11:27:43 GMT
You don't need to rely on earlier temperature readings to gauge climate change. One easily accessible method is to track the change in length and volume of glaciers and you don't need to go to Greenland to do that. The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, for example, has retreated almost 1300m since 1900. Pics here. That is not in any way definitive. Glaciers can retreat as it becomes colder and can advance as it becomes warmer. Precipitation, melt water lubrication, rockfalls and many other factors all have an input. A retreating glacier is a retreating glacier and some glaciers have retreated and advanced many times in the past. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2023 11:32:27 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. You are making the same mistake that so many make, ie mistaking weather for climate. Day to day, week to week, and month to month, weather will change, sometimes providing hot sunny weather, other times cooler and wetter weather. But that is just weather. Climate is generally a longer term meteorology measure, changes in which are measured by long term averages and any increases or decreases in the overall frequency and/or severity of extreme weather events. Even in a warmer climate there will still be localised cold snaps of below average temperatures from time to time. That's just weather. We have a low pressure dominating the UK at the moment and these are often associated with cooler, windier and wetter weather at this time of year. In southern Europe meanwhile, much of which was experiencing unseasonably high rainfalls whilst we were enjoying our June heatwave, they are now forecast to experience extreme heat. It is notable that cold snaps rarely break records for their coldness, but heatwaves frequently break records for their hotness, which is a clue to the overall climatic trend, as opposed to mere weather. However many weather events are taken by many warmists as being evidence of climate change. The record tempertaures being experienced in Europe are often quoted in the same sentence as climate change, JSO protestors quoted the UK 40C and the Pakistan floods as evidence of climate change, the drought in Europe, the floods in Italy are all presented as 'evidence' yet in reality are just weather and all have happened before. Just as the record high in Death Valley has happened before until the result was expunged from history. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2023 12:49:00 GMT
You don't need to rely on earlier temperature readings to gauge climate change. One easily accessible method is to track the change in length and volume of glaciers and you don't need to go to Greenland to do that. The Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, for example, has retreated almost 1300m since 1900. Pics here. That is not in any way definitive. Glaciers can retreat as it becomes colder and can advance as it becomes warmer. Precipitation, melt water lubrication, rockfalls and many other factors all have an input. A retreating glacier is a retreating glacier and some glaciers have retreated and advanced many times in the past. I believe there are very few areas in the world which are experiencing glaciers advancing and where they are it is the result of significant increases in precipitation. In Europe that is confined to parts of northern Norway. The overall trend is one of significant and permanent retreats, at least since historical records began.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 15, 2023 12:53:34 GMT
That is not in any way definitive. Glaciers can retreat as it becomes colder and can advance as it becomes warmer. Precipitation, melt water lubrication, rockfalls and many other factors all have an input. A retreating glacier is a retreating glacier and some glaciers have retreated and advanced many times in the past. I believe there are very few areas in the world which are experiencing glaciers advancing and where they are it is the result of significant increases in precipitation. In Europe that is confined to parts of northern Norway. The overall trend is one of significant and permanent retreats, at least since historical records began.
When did historical records begin,and is their worth judged by whether they (attempt to) prove the current panic? |
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