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Post by thomas on Aug 9, 2023 7:57:53 GMT
sad zany it really is. Between sandys bullshit and yours , this thread is rapidly declining into last wordism and nonsensical rubbish.
If "natural" climate change is the result of man pumping shitloads of co2 into the atmosphere , which scientists tell us started in the mid nineteenth century , how did that cause the medieval warm period , the maunder minimum , or all the other variations in the planets climate thorughout history?
We need to get a room for you and your mate sandy , the bullshit brothers , so you can both waffle on baffling each other with bullshit.
As ive said repeatedly , once we lose track of fact , and dishonesty comes into the deabte which goes hand in hand with the politics , then thats when you lose the majority of people.
I was open minded on this , and have stated what i am against in terms of taxation and lowering of living standards , but it appears the subject is beyond rational debate , so all that remains for us is to hammer those parties that want to tax us all to death in the name of the climate at the ballot box.
The medieval warm period was A; Not global. and B; caused by very different and well documented reasons. The medieval warm period was global. It affected the northern and southern hemisphere . We in europe called it the medieval warm period , but globally it was called the medieval climate anomaly , due the the varying ways it affected different areas. None of the regioal variations mentioned detract from my earlier point that the climate changed massively , but man wasnt pumping out shitloads of co2 into the atmosphere.
sounds like another one of your lame put downs zany you are famed for on this forum. Ie; ask a question in an attempt to make a poster look stupid to deflect you from answering a difficult point.
The point is of course the natural variation in the worlds climate prior to sharon dropping the kids off at school in her four by four.
zany , im not the one coming on here telling the forum im richard branson , and in between running a multi million pound business , having time for the little people to "educate them " on things like politics and climate. 
You are the one who tells us you believe in man made global warming , and that you support the measures to attempt to tackle it , so its up to you to convince us .So far you are doing a pretty piss poor job i must say.
I am reasonably educated on the subject , have an amateur interest in the climate , but im not so arrogant as to presume to tell people that i know the climate is warming due to mans actions and therefore we must all bow down to the green agenda.
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Post by Tinculin on Aug 9, 2023 11:25:37 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. So my water pump broke and I was cold in my house this weekend while the engineer was booked for Monday. Hottest summer on record my ass. |
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Post by distant on Aug 9, 2023 12:19:39 GMT
If anyone tries to tell me we have global warming and a heatwave they are going to get a slap. The forecast for this area for the weekend is 63 degrees! - it's the middle of July and I'm toying with putting the heating back on.. So my water pump broke and I was cold in my house this weekend while the engineer was booked for Monday. Hottest summer on record my ass. The above two anecdotes prove beyond all reasonable doubt that global warming is a hoax.
Assuming that the other 99%+ of the planet and nonsense like global average temperature need not be taken into consideration.  |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 9, 2023 14:04:09 GMT
I posted a link with reference to flash flooding which clearly showed that in many areas flash flooding was much more common in the 1930s despite some saying it is now becoming worse and saying quite openly that climate change was the culprit. it didnt. Not only that , the organisation that posted the data clearly say flooding is becoming more prevalent due to climate change. A clear case sandy of not reading your own link , and what the organisation behind the link believes.
Further , in various other article , the worst flooding in the uk have all happened either before , or after , the 1930`s , so what are you talking about?
Thames Flood of 1928
Who’d have thought that an event about 80 miles west of London would cause a disaster in the capital? When heavy snow in the Cotswolds, the source of the Thames, thawed in early January 1928, it doubled the water volume and the turning tide caused an upstream surge.
Lynmouth Flood of 1952
Such was the severity of the Lynmouth Flood, the former lifeboat station was re-imagined as a memorial hall to honour the 34 residents who lost their lives.
Great Flood of 1968
6,250 square kilometres of land - stretching roughly from Hampshire and Sussex across Surrey, Kent, and Essex - was hit with over 100mm of torrential rainfall during July and September 1968.
Boscastle Flood of 2004
About one billion litres of water crashed through Boscastle in Cornwall on 16th August 2004. Two rivers, Valency and Jordan, burst their banks due to 75mm of rain falling in just two hours
UK Floods of 2007
The May to July period in 2007 was the wettest since records began in 1776. June was one of the wettest months on record with double the national average rainfall across the whole of the country
in this one they talk about the floods of 1947..
Where do they say flooding is becoming more prevalent due to climate change? They say the risk of flooding is increasing which is not the same thing. Have a look through the data the 1930s is the period when most flash floods occurred according to the chronology. Specific events are not trends, they may be part of a trend. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 14:42:47 GMT
The reason I posted the Copernicus report is because the margin of hottest was a fraction of a degree, whereas the climate hyperbole has been that July was 5C hotter.
Yes, July 2023 was a warm one. But not ridiculously warm, except in a few places. Today death valley is max 42C which is normal for the time of year. It's not called death valley for nothing.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 9, 2023 18:00:35 GMT
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Sorry it's from the Mail, which I know you don't like. It's a funny thing but the good Professor has never been heard from again  He was probably reminded by Dame Julia that he has a very good pension plan. Ok . yes the mail will probably have edited his words, so the original article would be better. That said. Professor Collins actually said they have no evidence that global warming is the cause of why the jet stream got stuck in one place this summer. NOT that it has no effect on the jet stream. I'd agree with that. Global warming changes the position of the circulatory cells and these control the position of the jet stream. But there is no reason I know as to why that would fix it in one place for so long. What it did mean is that when it did get stuck it stuck a place you wouldn't expect without climate change. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 9, 2023 18:05:48 GMT
I posted a link with reference to flash flooding which clearly showed that in many areas flash flooding was much more common in the 1930s despite some saying it is now becoming worse and saying quite openly that climate change was the culprit. it didnt. Not only that , the organisation that posted the data clearly say flooding is becoming more prevalent due to climate change. A clear case sandy of not reading your own link , and what the organisation behind the link believes.
Further , in various other article , the worst flooding in the uk have all happened either before , or after , the 1930`s , so what are you talking about?
Thames Flood of 1928
Who’d have thought that an event about 80 miles west of London would cause a disaster in the capital? When heavy snow in the Cotswolds, the source of the Thames, thawed in early January 1928, it doubled the water volume and the turning tide caused an upstream surge.
Lynmouth Flood of 1952
Such was the severity of the Lynmouth Flood, the former lifeboat station was re-imagined as a memorial hall to honour the 34 residents who lost their lives.
Great Flood of 1968
6,250 square kilometres of land - stretching roughly from Hampshire and Sussex across Surrey, Kent, and Essex - was hit with over 100mm of torrential rainfall during July and September 1968.
Boscastle Flood of 2004
About one billion litres of water crashed through Boscastle in Cornwall on 16th August 2004. Two rivers, Valency and Jordan, burst their banks due to 75mm of rain falling in just two hours
UK Floods of 2007
The May to July period in 2007 was the wettest since records began in 1776. June was one of the wettest months on record with double the national average rainfall across the whole of the country
in this one they talk about the floods of 1947..
You have to be careful with "worst floods" flood defences have improved dramatically since 1960. The Thames barrier and the Essex sea defences for instance. Boscastle was an accident waiting to happen, that couldn't happen now due to works carried out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 21:17:45 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Aug 9, 2023 21:23:41 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 21:45:07 GMT
So my water pump broke and I was cold in my house this weekend while the engineer was booked for Monday. Hottest summer on record my ass. The above two anecdotes prove beyond all reasonable doubt that global warming is a hoax.
Assuming that the other 99%+ of the planet and nonsense like global average temperature need not be taken into consideration. ..'the other 99% of the planet' - are you sure? how about Europe?  |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 9, 2023 23:45:15 GMT
REAL Scientists look beyond climate change and El Nino for other factors that heat up Earth A hiker walks past the Hole-in-the-Rock at Papago Park during sunrise July 17, 2023, in Phoenix. Scientists say by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is human-caused climate change and a natural El Nino. But some say there’s got to be something more. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin, File) © Provided by The Associated Press
Scientists are wondering if global warming and El Nino have an accomplice in fueling this summer’s record-shattering heat. The European climate agency Copernicus reported that July was one-third of a degree Celsius (six-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit) hotter than the old record. That’s a bump in heat that is so recent and so big, especially in the oceans and even more so in the North Atlantic, that scientists are split on whether something else could be at work. Scientists agree that by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is climate change from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas that has triggered a long upward trend in temperatures. A natural El Nino, a temporary warming of parts of the Pacific that changes weather worldwide, adds a smaller boost. But some researchers say another factor must be present.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 10, 2023 6:18:14 GMT
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Sorry it's from the Mail, which I know you don't like. It's a funny thing but the good Professor has never been heard from again He was probably reminded by Dame Julia that he has a very good pension plan. Ok . yes the mail will probably have edited his words, so the original article would be better. That said. Professor Collins actually said they have no evidence that global warming is the cause of why the jet stream got stuck in one place this summer. NOT that it has no effect on the jet stream.
I'd agree with that. Global warming changes the position of the circulatory cells and these control the position of the jet stream. But there is no reason I know as to why that would fix it in one place for so long. What it did mean is that when it did get stuck it stuck a place you wouldn't expect without climate change. What I said is: " In fact Prof Mat Collins, who's an expert in climate modelling, said that the position of the Jet Stream isn't affected by warming - not according to the models anyway." Which is the point I was making - and is what he said. What I was saying is that warming has no effect on the Jet Stream's position according to their models. Whether you agree with it is immaterial. The fact that you "don't know any reason why it would fix in one place for so long" is just nonsense. Look, zany, you're not a scientist of any kind and know very little about this subject - yet you're trying to claim knowledge that even the leading experts don't have. Mat Collins has said that this subject is not yet understood. But as far as they know warming does NOT cause the Jet Stream to get stuck. We don't need your disinformation. As for all this stuff about flooding and fires increasing is dubious at best - there is conflicting evidence. But there are many very good reasons why flooding and fires might be increasing which have been covered at length in various posts. And they don't involve climate change. They're to do with the massive increase in human population. NOT CO2. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:25:38 GMT
The above two anecdotes prove beyond all reasonable doubt that global warming is a hoax.
Assuming that the other 99%+ of the planet and nonsense like global average temperature need not be taken into consideration. ..'the other 99% of the planet' - are you sure? how about Europe? Yes climate change has been happening for several decades. Climate change does not mean slightly more tress burn every year. Its a trend. when there's no forests left the numbers burning will really plummet. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:32:42 GMT
REAL Scientists look beyond climate change and El Nino for other factors that heat up Earth A hiker walks past the Hole-in-the-Rock at Papago Park during sunrise July 17, 2023, in Phoenix. Scientists say by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is human-caused climate change and a natural El Nino. But some say there’s got to be something more. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin, File) © Provided by The Associated Press
Scientists are wondering if global warming and El Nino have an accomplice in fueling this summer’s record-shattering heat. The European climate agency Copernicus reported that July was one-third of a degree Celsius (six-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit) hotter than the old record. That’s a bump in heat that is so recent and so big, especially in the oceans and even more so in the North Atlantic, that scientists are split on whether something else could be at work. Scientists agree that by far the biggest cause of the recent extreme warming is climate change from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas that has triggered a long upward trend in temperatures. A natural El Nino, a temporary warming of parts of the Pacific that changes weather worldwide, adds a smaller boost. But some researchers say another factor must be present.
One surprising source of added warmth could be cleaner air resulting from new shipping rules. Its a weird quirk but cleaner air has caused a short term increase in temperature because sulphur reflect ultraviolet light back into space. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 10, 2023 6:35:39 GMT
Yes climate change has been happening for several decades. Climate change does not mean slightly more tress burn every year. Its a trend. when there's no forests left the numbers burning will really plummet. Well thats going to be a while as the area covered by forests is increasing..yes in some areas forests are declining, but that is offset by increases somewhere else. For example forests in the EU have increased by 10% since 1990.  Global land change from 1982 to 2016 |
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He was probably reminded by Dame Julia that he has a very good pension plan.
