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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2023 12:22:38 GMT
The rule is if you present the news you are not allowed to be politically biased. It stands to reason and I agree with it. The explanation is simple to understand. In broadcasting there are various categories of broadcast, e.g. you have comedy, documentaries, sports, drama and the public understand what they are watching by the category. So to give an obvious example you would not think it is OK to have fictional stuff in a factual documentary, but if it were a play, then that's fine. Now when we speak of the news category we understand that type of broadcast which is described as news to be a factual account of something that has happened in the world. If you broadcast a programme that you put out as news, then it is unacceptable to broadcast what should be in the category of party political broadcast. You are allowed to have guests interviewed on a political debate which represent the views of their respective parties, but you must not mix it up with what the public think is news. Furthermore it does not hinge on what you say you are doing, but the impression you give to an average member of the public.
Now we know GB News is currently under investigation by Ofcom for this, but since they were suspected of doing it before I now hear they are taking the mick even further and backing this Liz Truss New Conservative movement. This is combined with their economics editor who seems to have radical economic views, plus of course we have Mogg who is also an MP and Farage and so on. I really am unfamiliar with all the Ofcom rules, but it seems like they are cruising for a bruising. To give you a flavour of how obvious this is now, after Truss did her thing with this new group the other day she would not accept any press interviews except GB News. You know why that is. GB News interviews are not exactly probing when they have one of their own vis-a-vis when they have a young chap on from Just Stop Oil.
If Ofcom does whack GB News hard it would be a good thing or else they will set a precedent where this lying will become rife.If they do though one can expect thousands of cultists crying foul play by the establishment, when indeed it is their side.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2023 12:57:52 GMT
Don't talk bloody rubbish BvL, you sound like an outraged lefty ffs. The left wing establishment sneer at GB News because the channel is increasingly popular and is unashamedly right of centre, as the BBC is left of centre. Also, GB News have a damned sight more left wing commentators than the BBC have right wing commentators. For instance, Stephen Pound and Gloria De Piero are both ex Labour MP's and both have regular slots on GB News, as does Aaron Bastani who is a vocal critic of the Tories and founder of the left wing media group Novara Media. Left wing millionaire and eco zealot Dale Vince is often interviewed, and GB News regularly have guests from left wing groups such as 'Just Stop Oil' and 'Animal Rebellion'. GB News are far less biased than the BBC that's for sure.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2023 13:18:27 GMT
Don't talk bloody rubbish BvL, you sound like an outraged lefty ffs. The left wing establishment sneer at GB News because the channel is increasingly popular and is unashamedly right of centre, as the BBC is left of centre. Also, GB News have a damned sight more left wing commentators than the BBC have right wing commentators. For instance, Stephen Pound and Gloria De Piero are both ex Labour MP's and both have regular slots on GB News, as does Aaron Bastani who is a vocal critic of the Tories and founder of the left wing media group Novara Media. Left wing millionaire and eco zealot Dale Vince is often interviewed, and GB News regularly have guests from left wing groups such as 'Just Stop Oil' and 'Animal Rebellion'. GB News are far less biased than the BBC that's for sure. It's not the political debates Ofcom has a problem with. Mind you the airing of the lefty views are done in a way such as to attack them, where the right-wing interviews as they refer to these people are totally uncritical.
I agree the BBC does the same shit, although I think the BBC are rather more professional about it, so despite sailing very close to the wind, the times you can bust them are quite infrequent. To bust an offender is to get the required legal proof that would satisfy an impartial judge. The BBC are like sly lawyers who know the game well.
What worries me though is this. Right now both factions are wrong about economics. If we allow GB News to tell economic lies and present them as factual news, then we also allow the left to do the same. The problem is this country will get destroyed because every fucker will get the wrong idea. If you don't believe such a state of country could arise, take a look at the history of the French Revolution. It's got more twists to it than many know about. What started out as a good positive thing turned into a hell on earth.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2023 14:12:32 GMT
The rule is if you present the news you are not allowed to be politically biased. It stands to reason and I agree with it. The explanation is simple to understand. In broadcasting there are various categories of broadcast, e.g. you have comedy, documentaries, sports, drama and the public understand what they are watching by the category. So to give an obvious example you would not think it is OK to have fictional stuff in a factual documentary, but if it were a play, then that's fine. Now when we speak of the news category we understand that type of broadcast which is described as news to be a factual account of something that has happened in the world. If you broadcast a programme that you put out as news, then it is unacceptable to broadcast what should be in the category of party political broadcast. You are allowed to have guests interviewed on a political debate which represent the views of their respective parties, but you must not mix it up with what the public think is news. Furthermore it does not hinge on what you say you are doing, but the impression you give to an average member of the public.
Now we know GB News is currently under investigation by Ofcom for this, but since they were suspected of doing it before I now hear they are taking the mick even further and backing this Liz Truss New Conservative movement. This is combined with their economics editor who seems to have radical economic views, plus of course we have Mogg who is also an MP and Farage and so on. I really am unfamiliar with all the Ofcom rules, but it seems like they are cruising for a bruising. To give you a flavour of how obvious this is now, after Truss did her thing with this new group the other day she would not accept any press interviews except GB News. You know why that is. GB News interviews are not exactly probing when they have one of their own vis-a-vis when they have a young chap on from Just Stop Oil.
If Ofcom does whack GB News hard it would be a good thing or else they will set a precedent where this lying will become rife.If they do though one can expect thousands of cultists crying foul play by the establishment, when indeed it is their side.
You seem to be saying if one is good at lying then one can get away with it. It has been noticed the BBC bias and all the others are all politically biased in one way or another just in how and what they report as news, who they invite to comment and what visuals they use to present the information. Ofcom have become a censor of news as opposed to an arbiter of free and fair reporting. News and its relevant importance is a political stance in any group and who gets to decide that should be down to the reporters. Many newspapers and the BBC do not report the ethnicity of people in certain crimes not because it is seen as irrelevant but because there is an official stance not to give ammunition to the 'far right'. This is manipulation of news for a political agenda. No news media is free from it, GB news is being selected because there is continual pressure on Ofcom by a vocal group of complainants determined to end GB News. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2023 14:38:02 GMT
The rule is if you present the news you are not allowed to be politically biased. It stands to reason and I agree with it. The explanation is simple to understand. In broadcasting there are various categories of broadcast, e.g. you have comedy, documentaries, sports, drama and the public understand what they are watching by the category. So to give an obvious example you would not think it is OK to have fictional stuff in a factual documentary, but if it were a play, then that's fine. Now when we speak of the news category we understand that type of broadcast which is described as news to be a factual account of something that has happened in the world. If you broadcast a programme that you put out as news, then it is unacceptable to broadcast what should be in the category of party political broadcast. You are allowed to have guests interviewed on a political debate which represent the views of their respective parties, but you must not mix it up with what the public think is news. Furthermore it does not hinge on what you say you are doing, but the impression you give to an average member of the public.
Now we know GB News is currently under investigation by Ofcom for this, but since they were suspected of doing it before I now hear they are taking the mick even further and backing this Liz Truss New Conservative movement. This is combined with their economics editor who seems to have radical economic views, plus of course we have Mogg who is also an MP and Farage and so on. I really am unfamiliar with all the Ofcom rules, but it seems like they are cruising for a bruising. To give you a flavour of how obvious this is now, after Truss did her thing with this new group the other day she would not accept any press interviews except GB News. You know why that is. GB News interviews are not exactly probing when they have one of their own vis-a-vis when they have a young chap on from Just Stop Oil.
If Ofcom does whack GB News hard it would be a good thing or else they will set a precedent where this lying will become rife.If they do though one can expect thousands of cultists crying foul play by the establishment, when indeed it is their side.
You seem to be saying if one is good at lying then one can get away with it. It has been noticed the BBC bias and all the others are all politically biased in one way or another just in how and what they report as news, who they invite to comment and what visuals they use to present the information. Ofcom have become a censor of news as opposed to an arbiter of free and fair reporting. News and its relevant importance is a political stance in any group and who gets to decide that should be down to the reporters. Many newspapers and the BBC do not report the ethnicity of people in certain crimes not because it is seen as irrelevant but because there is an official stance not to give ammunition to the 'far right'. This is manipulation of news for a political agenda. No news media is free from it, GB news is being selected because there is continual pressure on Ofcom by a vocal group of complainants determined to end GB News. GB News are being targetted by their opponents because they are pushing the boundary further in the direction of bias than the incumbents, which are bad enough already. The problem for the regulator is if one oversteps the mark you must bust them straight away or else if you let them do what they do and then later on decided to bust someone else then they would be acting in a biased way. GB News is the target because they are extending it. It was always liable to happen given the politicians who are employed on it. There is of course a problem with the name in that it suggests it is a specialist news channel meaning by rights it should all be factual accurate reporting, not 90% opinion. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2023 14:43:40 GMT
The rule is if you present the news you are not allowed to be politically biased. You mean like the BBC ? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2023 16:57:31 GMT
The rule is if you present the news you are not allowed to be politically biased. You mean like the BBC ? How many serving MPs are news presenters on the BBC?
It is worse than the BBC, but you will only understand it if you take a strictly objective and disinterested view. This is very hard for many people to do, but for the regulator, this is what you must do.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2023 19:21:24 GMT
How many serving MPs are news presenters on the BBC?
It is worse than the BBC, but you will only understand it if you take a strictly objective and disinterested view. This is very hard for many people to do, but for the regulator, this is what you must do.
so my question then is does Jacob Rees Mogg present a NEWS bulletin (no, he does not) or does he front a show that cuts to a totally different person, at a news desk, every hour, to deliver tbe news headlines. Sorry but your complaint is a total non starter. Analysis of the cascading style sheets used by the BBC prior to their adoption of HTML5 would have shown you their compkete and utter bias. I’m surprised you haven’t found a youtube video that explains it to you. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 13, 2023 19:28:26 GMT
I can see Baron sat in front of the box.. I fink I will breeeve in , I fink I will breeeve out, Doh what comes next  Ouch I fallen off me chair again Miss  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 13, 2023 19:45:04 GMT
How many serving MPs are news presenters on the BBC?
It is worse than the BBC, but you will only understand it if you take a strictly objective and disinterested view. This is very hard for many people to do, but for the regulator, this is what you must do.
so my question then is does Jacob Rees Mogg present a NEWS bulletin (no, he does not) or does he front a show that cuts to a totally different person, at a news desk, every hour, to deliver tbe news headlines. Sorry but your complaint is a total non starter. Analysis of the cascading style sheets used by the BBC prior to their adoption of HTML5 would have shown you their compkete and utter bias. I’m surprised you haven’t found a youtube video that explains it to you. Yes well Ofcom seem to think there is cause to investigate. It's about the overall impression the viewer gets and they are pushing it like a lawyer would, taking advantage. Even if they get away with it now, I expect the rules might tighten up.
Regarding style sheets, if you are going to supply additional intelligence to this thread then just do it and stop playing games with what you think I know and so on. Others read this forum and don't like being jerked around.
Besides you make it sound like we are bothered which is worse. They are both shit. The BBC is feminist central. I'm getting lied to from both the left-wing media and the right-wing media and see them both in the same camp, as per cheating liars. That economist GB News has on is suspect as well. He's got an agenda and he does read the news. You see how things bleed into one another. People's brains don't work like computers or lawyer rulebooks. It always used to make me laugh when I think it was in the Lords, an old tradition is if you have two official roles and represent both then by taking two steps in one direction you represent that role and vice versa. As if!
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2023 19:59:13 GMT
so my question then is does Jacob Rees Mogg present a NEWS bulletin (no, he does not) or does he front a show that cuts to a totally different person, at a news desk, every hour, to deliver tbe news headlines. Sorry but your complaint is a total non starter. Analysis of the cascading style sheets used by the BBC prior to their adoption of HTML5 would have shown you their compkete and utter bias. I’m surprised you haven’t found a youtube video that explains it to you. Yes well Ofcom seem to think there is cause to investigate. It's about the overall impression the viewer gets and they are pushing it like a lawyer would, taking advantage. Even if they get away with it now, I expect the rules might tighten up.
Regarding style sheets, if you are going to supply additional intelligence to this thread then just do it and stop playing games with what you think I know and so on. Others read this forum and don't like being jerked around.
Besides you make it sound like we are bothered which is worse. They are both shit. The BBC is feminist central. I'm getting lied to from both the left-wing media and the right-wing media and see them both in the same camp, as per cheating liars. That economist GB News has on is suspect as well. He's got an agenda and he does read the news. You see how things bleed into one another. People's brains don't work like computers or lawyer rulebooks. It always used to make me laugh when I think it was in the Lords, an old tradition is if you have two official roles and represent both then by taking two steps in one direction you represent that role and vice versa. As if!
Which economist reads the news on GB news? Ofcom think there is cause to investigate as there is a campaign to shut down GB news and part of that is to complain to Ofcom in an organised manner. Ofcom showed their own incapability of judging their brief by upholding complaints as regards Mark Steyn where what was recognised as being factually correct was not supposed to be broadcast as there was real harm that may ensue. That is a scary take on its brief as 'real harm' has a multitude of interpretations and Steyn believed real harm would ensue if he did not report the facts. Currently the facts are trending evermore to Steyn's viewpoint. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 21:05:45 GMT
GB News is the least watched and least popular source of news, and despite what many say about SKY News and BBC News, they are both unbiased and trusted far more than GB News.
GB News is the only news channel in the UK which is biased, is openy biased, and has ONLY right wing commentaters including Nigel ( Frog Face ) Farage and Mr Aristocratic Multi Millionaire Jacob Rees Mogg.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2023 22:01:24 GMT
GB News is the least watched and least popular source of news, and despite what many say about SKY News and BBC News, they are both unbiased and trusted far more than GB News. GB News is the only news channel in the UK which is biased, is openy biased, and has ONLY right wing commentaters including Nigel ( Frog Face ) Farage and Mr Aristocratic Multi Millionaire Jacob Rees Mogg. How do you know it is the least watched? If it was the least watched then Farage would not have won anything. GB news is gaining viewers largely because people are turning away from the BBC and Sky both of whom tend to control outlook, ignore some aspects of the news and concentrate on others. People tend to notice these things and make allowances but eventually they realise they are being taken for mugs. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2023 22:03:16 GMT
so my question then is does Jacob Rees Mogg present a NEWS bulletin (no, he does not) or does he front a show that cuts to a totally different person, at a news desk, every hour, to deliver tbe news headlines. Sorry but your complaint is a total non starter. Analysis of the cascading style sheets used by the BBC prior to their adoption of HTML5 would have shown you their compkete and utter bias. I’m surprised you haven’t found a youtube video that explains it to you. Yes well Ofcom seem to think there is cause to investigate. It's about the overall impression the viewer gets and they are pushing it like a lawyer would, taking advantage. Even if they get away with it now, I expect the rules might tighten up.
Regarding style sheets, if you are going to supply additional intelligence to this thread then just do it and stop playing games with what you think I know and so on. Others read this forum and don't like being jerked around.
Besides you make it sound like we are bothered which is worse. They are both shit. The BBC is feminist central. I'm getting lied to from both the left-wing media and the right-wing media and see them both in the same camp, as per cheating liars. That economist GB News has on is suspect as well. He's got an agenda and he does read the news. You see how things bleed into one another. People's brains don't work like computers or lawyer rulebooks. It always used to make me laugh when I think it was in the Lords, an old tradition is if you have two official roles and represent both then by taking two steps in one direction you represent that role and vice versa. As if!
no, OFCOM don’t think anything of the sort. They don't do a thing off their own bat They have received a whiny whinge from a lefty snotrag thatbthst odious bugger owen jones. Thats the reality. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 13, 2023 22:37:04 GMT
GB News is the least watched and least popular source of news, and despite what many say about SKY News and BBC News, they are both unbiased and trusted far more than GB News. GB News is the only news channel in the UK which is biased, is openy biased, and has ONLY right wing commentaters including Nigel ( Frog Face ) Farage and Mr Aristocratic Multi Millionaire Jacob Rees Mogg. You just need to look at the reporting of the Scampton and Portland protests where at Scampton a label of far right was thrown at protestors and in Portland Sky tried to make the issue an immigration issue for the protest group. GB news were the only ones who seemed to report what was happening and sought interviews from all sides. It is all the little things that eventually tell the tale. |
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