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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 17:10:09 GMT
Not yet.  Sadly my little sister drunk herself to death last year. It was horrible to watch her alienate her husband and her children. Then me and her other brothers. In the end she drowned in her own blood on the kitchen floor while her husband was away in Spain. You have mentioned this before and it doesn't sound at all like something you are going to come to terms with in a few months (nor should you). It may be the case that your family has that mythical 'gene' - the one that produces an excited response to alcohol. I may be making this up in my head, but it always seemed to me that people's reaction to alcohol splits into two camps - one camp finds its effects largely sedative and the other finds it a stimulant. The sedative crowd are relatively safe from the threat of alcoholism, while the group who is excited by alcohol is very vulnerable. I was always perplexed by the notion that drinking three pints at lunchtime made the afternoon go faster - for some it probably does. My understanding is that alcohol exaggerates whatever your underlying temperament is. So if you're happy go lucky it will make you feel happy, if you are down or morose then it will make you feel sad. We have no addiction history in our family. My sister turned to drink because she was unhappy and lonely. I just wish I'd known in time to help. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 11, 2023 17:34:05 GMT
You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? Which is preferable as an answer to homelessness? A modern workhouse, with modern work, modern pay, modern accommodation, modern living standards and skills training, or a shop doorway a sleeping bag and the risk of death? Funny how lefties balk at ideas that would save the homeless from death. Sounds expensive. Are you happy to pay extra taxes to cover the cost? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 17:50:24 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 17:52:41 GMT
Better mental health services. Things are getting pretty bad on that front. I'm thinking of re-opening my clinic Thought you already had by becoming a mod  |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 11, 2023 18:08:15 GMT
Well that would kill off a few lefties mate....A days work would kill some of the left who just live off the backs of those fucking stupid enough to work and pay their taxes. You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? Who said I was pensioner? Not I and that is for sure. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 11, 2023 18:11:24 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational. Assuming the government is competent enough to create profitable work all year round (so fruit picking is out) in areas where private sector jobs won't be harmed, what happens when no one turns up the day after pay day because they are getting pissed or taking smack? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 18:11:33 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational. As I say the homeless are not generally in a position to work unless you are talking about forced labour at the end of a whip. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 11, 2023 18:20:51 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational. You mean like Remploy? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 18:23:20 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational. You mean like Remploy? Not really Remploy never made a profit or got near to break even. I think Vinny has more ambitious plans, though I think they're very flawed. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 11, 2023 18:52:37 GMT
The thing is my house ironically is itself becoming a workhouse. I've kind of built an electronics lab in it and I'm thinking of ways to improve it cos I've got all these great ideas and it is fun. A house located where I am is ideal for working in because it is quiet and comfortable. System offices are so plain and such foreign environments to someone like me. I've no idea how people work in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:59:13 GMT
Not yet. Sadly my little sister drunk herself to death last year. It was horrible to watch her alienate her husband and her children. Then me and her other brothers. In the end she drowned in her own blood on the kitchen floor while her husband was away in Spain. You have mentioned this before and it doesn't sound at all like something you are going to come to terms with in a few months (nor should you). It may be the case that your family has that mythical 'gene' - the one that produces an excited response to alcohol. I may be making this up in my head, but it always seemed to me that people's reaction to alcohol splits into two camps - one camp finds its effects largely sedative and the other finds it a stimulant. The sedative crowd are relatively safe from the threat of alcoholism, while the group who is excited by alcohol is very vulnerable. I was always perplexed by the notion that drinking three pints at lunchtime made the afternoon go faster - for some it probably does. I have often noticed that the effects of inebriation affects different people in different ways though it can also depend on the mood of the drinker. Drunk people seem to fall into four main types - opinionateds, clowns, emotionals, and aggressives. My own journey with alcohol began as a shy teenager who discovered that it brought me right out of my shell and able to rub along much more socially with people. It can be a good social lubricant to the shy and introverted as I used to be. I also discovered when my dad died that it could numb emotional pain and so at about that time I spent about three months going to the pub every night and coming home drunk. I had a very well paying job at the time and could afford to do that. People around me began to grow concerned of course, and as my alcohol tolerance increased it was costing me a lot more to get drunk. In the end I listened to the advice and moderated my drinking. Since then as I have gotten older I have gradually lost interest in drinking. I drink very moderately now, rarely more than four cans, and have only drank alcohol at all twice this year so far. It does seem that the novelty wears off with most of us as we mature. Many of us go through a heavy drinking spell when young but most of us tend to mature out of it. But some dont and just become alcoholics. Why this happens to them and not the rest of us, I dont know. Perhaps it is genetic? Whatever it is, these people need help not condemnation. Not sure prison hostels is the answer. In fact I am sure it isnt. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 19:00:20 GMT
Not really Remploy never made a profit or got near to break even. And therein was the problem,why was it ever expected to make a profit,it was a place that very vulnerable could contribute in their way to society. It was a good idea poorly executed or understood and could’ve been updated,isn’t the cry “why can’t they get a job” well they did,let’s face it on another thread people want private education and health care given subsidy to people already well off,the decline and final closure another Westminster bubble betrayal. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 19:08:45 GMT
Yeah? If nobody has a job, who's going to buy the things made by AI? Will the machines be selling things to each other? Don’t be silly,plebs won’t be needed or very few AI will be there to serve the elite and protect them until maybe AI no longer wants to. Right. People will just go along with that, you think? Karl Marx addressed this a long time ago. He noted an internal conflict in capitalism. It seeks out the cheapest means of production, often employing machines to do the work previously done by people. The result is increased unemployment, fewer people who can afford to buy the products produced by the machines. The result, he predicted, is that capitalism will eventually die. The point will be reached where the people simply take control of the machines and use them to do their work for them. He said that communism would only work where there is a strong industrial economy and a long established tradition of democracy.* I suppose it is all guesswork at this point. Much will depend on whether the guesser is an optimist or a pessimist. The pessimist, of which you appear to be one, predicts a future where machines do the bidding of an elite while the people starve, having no function whatsoever, not even as consumers of the products produced by machines. The optimist forecasts something akin to Marx's utopia, where most of the work is done by machines, while everyone works only a few days a week maintaining and developing those machines. I don't suppose it will be either. But I imagine it will be closer to the latter than the former. *Note that none of those conditions existed in any country where so-called communism was said to have been established. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 19:12:00 GMT
The thing is my house ironically is itself becoming a workhouse. I've kind of built an electronics lab in it and I'm thinking of ways to improve it cos I've got all these great ideas and it is fun. A house located where I am is ideal for working in because it is quiet and comfortable. System offices are so plain and such foreign environments to someone like me. I've no idea how people work in them. I look forward to seeing your first invention Baron. I can say, I new that guy.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 11, 2023 19:14:35 GMT
Given that a workhouse would actually produce stuff to be sold, the idea is for it to self fund once operational. You mean like Remploy? What would you Reimploy to produce stuff? |
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