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Post by Bentley on Jul 11, 2023 13:54:58 GMT
They were part of the feudal system too. Was the feudal system socialist ? No, but it is a demonstration of the dialectic we previously discussed at length. Indeed. Eco political systems can share some similarities but not necessary be evolving into each other. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 14:11:32 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 14:36:37 GMT
When AI proper kicks in we’re going to need some massive workhouses or mass and enforced euthanasia.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 15:08:15 GMT
When AI proper kicks in we’re going to need some massive workhouses or mass and enforced euthanasia. Yeah? If nobody has a job, who's going to buy the things made by AI? Will the machines be selling things to each other? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2023 15:18:25 GMT
It would provide pay, the means to save, and the means to build up funds to own a house of their own. And it would cost an absolute fortune. So, what's your answer to homelessness and destitution? |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 11, 2023 15:23:31 GMT
And it would cost an absolute fortune. So, what's your answer to homelessness and destitution? Better mental health services. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 11, 2023 15:40:31 GMT
When AI proper kicks in we’re going to need some massive workhouses or mass and enforced euthanasia. Yeah? If nobody has a job, who's going to buy the things made by AI? Will the machines be selling things to each other? Don’t be silly,plebs won’t be needed or very few AI will be there to serve the elite and protect them until maybe AI no longer wants to. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 15:43:43 GMT
So, what's your answer to homelessness and destitution? Better mental health services. Things are getting pretty bad on that front. I'm thinking of re-opening my clinic |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 16:09:15 GMT
And it would cost an absolute fortune. So, what's your answer to homelessness and destitution? Build affordable housing to rent, and sufficient hostels in the meantime, whilst doing everything to deal properly with mental health issues, addictions and other barriers into work and using carrots and sticks of welfare effectively to encourage those who can into work. It would cost a lot less, deliver a lot more, without forcing anyone out of their exiting home into prison hostels. Those on the streets should of course be helped, but prison hostels is not the way. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 16:38:54 GMT
You do realise that many a pensioner such as yourself ended up in the workhouse in the days before taxpayers looked after your every need? Which is preferable as an answer to homelessness? A modern workhouse, with modern work, modern pay, modern accommodation, modern living standards and skills training, or a shop doorway a sleeping bag and the risk of death? Funny how lefties balk at ideas that would save the homeless from death. The word Modern only crept into the conversation after the lefties had pointed out the reality of the original workhouses. No leftie would object to tax money being spent on accommodation for the homeless. Were it that simple of course. Many homeless people have drink or drug addictions and can be violent and dishonest, not so good for sharing a dormitory with. Some of the best schemes use individual shipping containers with basic facilities for each homeless person. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 16:40:37 GMT
Of course it is a workhouse, if you stay there you work. The choice of course is you can leave. It would provide pay, the means to save, and the means to build up funds to own a house of their own. What work would you provide for an alcoholic who's destroyed his liver? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 16:42:18 GMT
So, what's your answer to homelessness and destitution? Build affordable housing to rent, and sufficient hostels in the meantime, whilst doing everything to deal properly with mental health issues, addictions and other barriers into work and using carrots and sticks of welfare effectively to encourage those who can into work. It would cost a lot less, deliver a lot more, without forcing anyone out of their exiting home into prison hostels. Those on the streets should of course be helped, but prison hostels is not the way. In the end pretty much everyone of this countries problems comes down to the cost of housing. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 16:42:41 GMT
It would provide pay, the means to save, and the means to build up funds to own a house of their own. What work would you provide for an alcoholic who's destroyed his liver? You aren't thinking of signing up?  |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 11, 2023 16:50:16 GMT
What work would you provide for an alcoholic who's destroyed his liver? You aren't thinking of signing up? Not yet.  Sadly my little sister drunk herself to death last year. It was horrible to watch her alienate her husband and her children. Then me and her other brothers. In the end she drowned in her own blood on the kitchen floor while her husband was away in Spain. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 11, 2023 17:06:12 GMT
You aren't thinking of signing up? Not yet. Sadly my little sister drunk herself to death last year. It was horrible to watch her alienate her husband and her children. Then me and her other brothers. In the end she drowned in her own blood on the kitchen floor while her husband was away in Spain. You have mentioned this before and it doesn't sound at all like something you are going to come to terms with in a few months (nor should you). It may be the case that your family has that mythical 'gene' - the one that produces an excited response to alcohol. I may be making this up in my head, but it always seemed to me that people's reaction to alcohol splits into two camps - one camp finds its effects largely sedative and the other finds it a stimulant. The sedative crowd are relatively safe from the threat of alcoholism, while the group who is excited by alcohol is very vulnerable. I was always perplexed by the notion that drinking three pints at lunchtime made the afternoon go faster - for some it probably does. |
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