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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 18:17:26 GMT
It's almost as impartial as the polls. 
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2022 18:32:28 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit. Why Brexit isn't working IT’S ALL COVID Yes folks, EVERYTHING which is going wrong in Britain now is all about Covid, even the stuff that’s only happening here and not in all those other countries that got Covid just as badly as we did. Fishing industry collapsed? The fish all got Covid! No good trade deals with anywhere? All the delegates got Covid! Kent’s a lorry park? Did you know trucks could get Covid? Well, can you prove that trucks DON’T get Covid? There you are then. IT’S ALL THE REMAINERS’ FAULT Ah yes, now we’re getting down to the heart of the matter. IT’S THE REMAINERS. There’s almost complete consensus among the Conserverati that the people who have been deliberately ignored, sidelined, belittled and specifically excluded from EVERY stage of the decision-making process for the last six and a half years have nonetheless somehow managed to screw that process up completely, by doing… something. Something remainery. Because when something is being done badly, it’s obviously the fault of the people who aren’t doing it, and not the people who ARE doing it. There can be no doubt that Brexit was the saving of our nation (Michael Gove says so, and if you can’t trust him, who CAN you trust) and would be going swimmingly if CERTAIN people didn’t keep pointing out that it isn’t, the lousy, reality-loving traitors. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/blame-brexit-heavens-no-its-the-fault-in-our-stars/But then you sound like you are a guilty party. Not like you would ever get caught out of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 18:38:28 GMT
Best to try and silence them, that's the democratic thing to do these fine days. No there is no campaign to silence them but there is anger at all the shenanigans from peers and mps who have actively been trying to block Brexit over the last few years and the collusion of much of the MSM (and the 'impartial' BBC) attempting to belittle Brexit and bring about some form of Remain. If they're so besotted over the EU then they will dedicate their lives to decades of hard work. So far they lack a political party and any sort of comprehensive argument, whilst also remaining dependent on the same negative campaign. It took decades of campaigning to leave the EU, and despite the ridicule, the attacks (many violent) and censorship that Leave had to endure, Leave won. Nobody likes sniveling losers, so Remain already has a few bad images to remove.
The only thing they can hope for in the short term is corruption, lies and backstabbing from the establishment, which isn't exactly something to be proud of.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 18:55:57 GMT
No there is no campaign to silence them but there is anger at all the shenanigans from peers and mps who have actively been trying to block Brexit over the last few years and the collusion of much of the MSM (and the 'impartial' BBC) attempting to belittle Brexit and bring about some form of Remain. If they're so besotted over the EU then they will dedicate their lives to decades of hard work. So far they lack a political party and any sort of comprehensive argument, whilst also remaining dependent on the same negative campaign. It took decades of campaigning to leave the EU, and despite the ridicule, the attacks (many violent) and censorship that Leave had to endure, Leave won. Nobody likes sniverling losers, so Remain already has a few bad images to remove.
The only thing they can hope for in the short term is corruption, lies and backstabbing from the establishment, which isn't exactly something to be proud of.
That sounds like an awful lot of hard work, B4. Can't we just let the next elected government hold a referendum, instead? There's a possibility with Labour and an even bigger one with a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Our time and motion people tell us this would be best practice. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 19:28:10 GMT
If they're so besotted over the EU then they will dedicate their lives to decades of hard work. So far they lack a political party and any sort of comprehensive argument, whilst also remaining dependent on the same negative campaign. It took decades of campaigning to leave the EU, and despite the ridicule, the attacks (many violent) and censorship that Leave had to endure, Leave won. Nobody likes sniverling losers, so Remain already has a few bad images to remove.
The only thing they can hope for in the short term is corruption, lies and backstabbing from the establishment, which isn't exactly something to be proud of.
That sounds like an awful lot of hard work, B4. Can't we just let the next elected government hold a referendum, instead? There's a possibility with Labour and an even bigger one with a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Our time and motion people tell us this would be best practice. I don't think there'll be another referendum. I think we will come to a mutual agreement with the EU, a new friendship, closer ties under Labour. Then we'll quietly slip back into membership in a few years and no one will mind. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 19:30:56 GMT
That sounds like an awful lot of hard work, B4. Can't we just let the next elected government hold a referendum, instead? There's a possibility with Labour and an even bigger one with a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Our time and motion people tell us this would be best practice. I don't think there'll be another referendum. I think we will come to a mutual agreement with the EU, a new friendship, closer ties under Labour. Then we'll quietly slip back into membership in a few years and no one will mind. I don't think there will be another referendum on full membership myself (not least because the EU wouldn't want that). A referendum on rejoining the CU and SM is entirely different, though, particularly if there is a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:44:57 GMT
If they're so besotted over the EU then they will dedicate their lives to decades of hard work. So far they lack a political party and any sort of comprehensive argument, whilst also remaining dependent on the same negative campaign. It took decades of campaigning to leave the EU, and despite the ridicule, the attacks (many violent) and censorship that Leave had to endure, Leave won. Nobody likes sniverling losers, so Remain already has a few bad images to remove.
The only thing they can hope for in the short term is corruption, lies and backstabbing from the establishment, which isn't exactly something to be proud of.
That sounds like an awful lot of hard work, B4. Can't we just let the next elected government hold a referendum, instead? There's a possibility with Labour and an even bigger one with a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Our time and motion people tell us this would be best practice. If Labour want to continue to betray their grassroot communities and encourage them to vote Conservative, then it's a possibility. To be fair, unless they all lie, cheat and backstab to get into power I can't see it being a vote winner. Just look what happened to the Lib Dems in the last GE. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 19:54:33 GMT
That sounds like an awful lot of hard work, B4. Can't we just let the next elected government hold a referendum, instead? There's a possibility with Labour and an even bigger one with a Labour/Lib Dem coalition. Our time and motion people tell us this would be best practice. If Labour want to continue to betray their grassroot communities and encourage them to vote Conservative, then it's a possibility. To be fair, unless they all lie, cheat and backstab to get into power I can't see it being a vote winner. Just look what happened to the Lib Dems in the last GE. What do you mean by lie, cheat, and backstab? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:58:58 GMT
If Labour want to continue to betray their grassroot communities and encourage them to vote Conservative, then it's a possibility. To be fair, unless they all lie, cheat and backstab to get into power I can't see it being a vote winner. Just look what happened to the Lib Dems in the last GE. What do you mean by lie, cheat, and backstab? Keir Starmer has made it clear that Labour has no intention to rejoin. Unless he's telling lies and plans to stab the electorate in the back we have to go on that.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 20:01:43 GMT
What do you mean by lie, cheat, and backstab? Keir Starmer has made it clear that Labour has no intention to rejoin. Unless he's telling lies and plans to stab the electorate in the back we have to go on that.
A referendum is a democratic decision. Does Keir Starmer have a right to promise not to put an important decision to the electorate if it becomes apparent they want one? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 20:04:27 GMT
If you don't like it, don't vote Labour. As for democracy, the Remainers don't actually care about it. They were trying to create a legal dictatorship to overthrow the democratic mandate to leave.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 20:09:41 GMT
If you don't like it, don't vote Labour. As for democracy, the Remainers don't actually care about it. They were trying to create a legal dictatorship to overthrow the democratic mandate to leave. Starmer can promise what he wants. If it becomes apparent that a clear majority want a referendum, he'll have to balance his promise against basic democratic principles. Of course, there's a relatively strong chance they'll be in coalition with the Lib Dems, so Starmer won't be calling all the shots, anyhow. It might be wise for you to vote Labour, just to ensure that there isn't a coalition. Voting Conservative will probably be a wasted vote, anyhow. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 20:12:17 GMT
Sorry, but I think this is in the realm of fantasy and wishful thinking by a minority. I have nothing more to add.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 20:15:38 GMT
Sorry, but I think this is in the realm of fantasy and wishful thinking by a minority. I have nothing more to add. Seriously, if you want to stay out of the SM, your best bet will be to vote Labour. The Conservatives aren't going anywhere. You don't want the Lib Dems to get into power with Labour, do you? That would be very bad news for Brexiters. You should worry when you see Labour falling in the polls, because that increases the likelihood of a coalition with the Lib Dems. There's a possibility Labour will have a referendum if they get a majority, but that possibility turns into a probability if they get into power with the Lib Dems. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 20:18:18 GMT
What do you mean by lie, cheat, and backstab? Keir Starmer has made it clear that Labour has no intention to rejoin. Unless he's telling lies and plans to stab the electorate in the back we have to go on that.
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