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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 14:10:50 GMT
What's interesting for me is that it appears that the shift towards rejoining is influenced by economics. In 2016, when we did not have much poverty around us, I remember people saying that leaving was not so much about the economy as the sense of control and freedom. Now in 2022, some of us are older and we're all feeling the pinch so we're thinking that being a member of the EU isn't such a bad idea. The new PM's even talking serious, no BS stuff with Manny Macron and the Irish Chief -- all in the name of the economy, it seems. So it's all about the economy, after all. What's happened to the sense of control and freedom, I wonder. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-rejoining-eu-takes-record-14-point-lead-in-latest-poll/ar-AA13tS0F?ocid=EMMX&cvid=190c6163ee6f49ff99ba80413c845f9aBrexit: Rejoining EU takes record 14-point lead in latest poll
Britons would now vote to rejoin the EU in a second referendum by a record 14-point margin, a new poll has found.
A tracker poll found support for reversing Brexit is now at 57 per cent, compared to just 43 per cent who want to keep it. Support for rejoining has steadily ticked up since the start of this year – with 'out' still ahead as recently as May this year.
But the survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies for the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank shows the picture has changed quickly amid economic and international turmoil. Professor Sir John Curtice, a respected political scientist at the University of Strathclyde, said that the shift may be down to changes in the economic situation – and suggested the trend may continue.
"In reporting on the poll in February we noted that evaluations of the economic consequences of Brexit were particularly strongly related to changes of mind about being inside or outside the EU. This pattern is replicated in the latest poll," he wrote in an analysis of the findings.
The professor said it seemed "highly likely that a darkening of the public mood on the economic consequences of Brexit helps explain the increase in support for joining the EU" and added that it should not be ruled out "that the financial turbulence of recent weeks may at least have helped to reinforce that mood".
"What happens to the economy and the country’s fiscal finances in the coming weeks and months may not only be crucial to the Conservatives’ future electoral prospects, but also for the continuing level of support for Brexit," he said.
Sir John noted that 2016 Remain voters who would now vote to stay out of the EU were much less likely (40 per cent) than those who would vote to join again (85 per cent) to say that the economy was weaker as a result of Brexit. "A similar difference exists between those 2016 Leave voters who would vote to stay out and those who would now back joining," he noted.
But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 28, 2022 15:37:21 GMT
"But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 15:55:41 GMT
It seems to all go back to The Independent, which is possibly the most notoriously pro-EU propaganda media site ever. Personally, I would like to see an improvement in government, but it seems that there's just so many who want to see this country sabotaged and blame literally every event in the world on Brexit.
We only left in 2020, and I can't even find a credible argument as to how joining the EU will magically fix anything, considering they're having the same problems over on the main continent. I guess the remainers are still stuck in project fear mode.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2022 18:24:20 GMT
What's interesting for me is that it appears that the shift towards rejoining is influenced by economics. In 2016, when we did not have much poverty around us, I remember people saying that leaving was not so much about the economy as the sense of control and freedom. Now in 2022, some of us are older and we're all feeling the pinch so we're thinking that being a member of the EU isn't such a bad idea. The new PM's even talking serious, no BS stuff with Manny Macron and the Irish Chief -- all in the name of the economy, it seems. So it's all about the economy, after all. What's happened to the sense of control and freedom, I wonder. www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-rejoining-eu-takes-record-14-point-lead-in-latest-poll/ar-AA13tS0F?ocid=EMMX&cvid=190c6163ee6f49ff99ba80413c845f9aBrexit: Rejoining EU takes record 14-point lead in latest poll
Britons would now vote to rejoin the EU in a second referendum by a record 14-point margin, a new poll has found.
A tracker poll found support for reversing Brexit is now at 57 per cent, compared to just 43 per cent who want to keep it. Support for rejoining has steadily ticked up since the start of this year – with 'out' still ahead as recently as May this year.
But the survey by Redfield and Wilton Strategies for the UK in a Changing Europe think-tank shows the picture has changed quickly amid economic and international turmoil. Professor Sir John Curtice, a respected political scientist at the University of Strathclyde, said that the shift may be down to changes in the economic situation – and suggested the trend may continue.
"In reporting on the poll in February we noted that evaluations of the economic consequences of Brexit were particularly strongly related to changes of mind about being inside or outside the EU. This pattern is replicated in the latest poll," he wrote in an analysis of the findings.
The professor said it seemed "highly likely that a darkening of the public mood on the economic consequences of Brexit helps explain the increase in support for joining the EU" and added that it should not be ruled out "that the financial turbulence of recent weeks may at least have helped to reinforce that mood".
"What happens to the economy and the country’s fiscal finances in the coming weeks and months may not only be crucial to the Conservatives’ future electoral prospects, but also for the continuing level of support for Brexit," he said.
Sir John noted that 2016 Remain voters who would now vote to stay out of the EU were much less likely (40 per cent) than those who would vote to join again (85 per cent) to say that the economy was weaker as a result of Brexit. "A similar difference exists between those 2016 Leave voters who would vote to stay out and those who would now back joining," he noted.
But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2022 18:30:11 GMT
It seems to all go back to The Independent, which is possibly the most notoriously pro-EU propaganda media site ever. Personally, I would like to see an improvement in government, but it seems that there's just so many who want to see this country sabotaged and blame literally every event in the world on Brexit. We only left in 2020, and I can't even find a credible argument as to how joining the EU will magically fix anything, considering they're having the same problems over on the main continent. I guess the remainers are still stuck in project fear mode. Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces.  |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 28, 2022 18:58:40 GMT
It seems to all go back to The Independent, which is possibly the most notoriously pro-EU propaganda media site ever. Personally, I would like to see an improvement in government, but it seems that there's just so many who want to see this country sabotaged and blame literally every event in the world on Brexit. We only left in 2020, and I can't even find a credible argument as to how joining the EU will magically fix anything, considering they're having the same problems over on the main continent. I guess the remainers are still stuck in project fear mode. Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces. I was not aware of promises of sunny uplands and unicorns. I was very much aware of how disaster would be just round the corner, and despite many Remoaners best attempts to engineer such a disaster we have been faring on a par with much of the Eurozone over the last couple of years and in fact in some respects a bit better. The crux of the matter is would we be significantly better off if we had stayed in. Who knows? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 19:05:10 GMT
It seems to all go back to The Independent, which is possibly the most notoriously pro-EU propaganda media site ever. Personally, I would like to see an improvement in government, but it seems that there's just so many who want to see this country sabotaged and blame literally every event in the world on Brexit. We only left in 2020, and I can't even find a credible argument as to how joining the EU will magically fix anything, considering they're having the same problems over on the main continent. I guess the remainers are still stuck in project fear mode. Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces. I can't help it if people believe in unicorns, but what lies are you referring to?
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2022 20:34:35 GMT
Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces. I was not aware of promises of sunny uplands and unicorns. I was very much aware of how disaster would be just round the corner, and despite many Remoaners best attempts to engineer such a disaster we have been faring on a par with much of the Eurozone over the last couple of years and in fact in some respects a bit better. The crux of the matter is would we be significantly better off if we had stayed in. Who knows? Gosh you have lowered your expectations, but I don't think you're alone in that. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 28, 2022 20:38:23 GMT
Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces. I can't help it if people believe in unicorns, but what lies are you referring to?
Take your pick. The trade deals, the German car companies forcing their government to comply, the cutting of immigration. I'm not sure any of the dreams have come true. You can pretend none of this was promised but the polls tell the truth of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 21:49:35 GMT
At the last gen election Jo Swinson led the Lib Dems on a rejoin the EU manifesto.
I wonder how she's getting on with her knitting?
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Post by Steve on Oct 28, 2022 22:47:58 GMT
Its the lack of magical unicorns romping in sunlight uplands that's changing opinion. People were told things would get better after 2016, not that they would get worse and the Brexiters would keep kicking the can down the road. We can all see the failed trade deals, the other countries who've suffered the same catastrophes doing better. The lie is falling to pieces. I was not aware of promises of sunny uplands and unicorns. I was very much aware of how disaster would be just round the corner, and despite many Remoaners best attempts to engineer such a disaster we have been faring on a par with much of the Eurozone over the last couple of years and in fact in some respects a bit better. The crux of the matter is would we be significantly better off if we had stayed in. Who knows? You must have been hiding in a cupboard then here's what you were being promised by the official leave campaign:  and here's the real Project Fear from Vote Leave's 2016 campaign:  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 0:28:14 GMT
"But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so."There is your answer That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 29, 2022 1:07:53 GMT
"But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so."There is your answer That is the wrong answer. Get over it FFS your beloved EUSSR are sinking into their own self made cesspit. And more power to their elbows it couldn't happen to a better bunch of self serving arseholes. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 29, 2022 3:45:37 GMT
"But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so."There is your answer That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. The economy argument was used by remainers as 'project fear' to depict the demise of the UK economy solely on the basis for leaving the EU. Now, if people want to believe the EUvangelist's latest claims that Britain would benefit more than disadvantage itself by rejoining the EU amid global economic issues then more fool them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 6:33:48 GMT
I can't help it if people believe in unicorns, but what lies are you referring to?
Take your pick. The trade deals, the German car companies forcing their government to comply, the cutting of immigration. I'm not sure any of the dreams have come true. You can pretend none of this was promised but the polls tell the truth of it. German car companies?
Regarding immigration, it's usually the open borders types who use this argument against Brexit as a form of mockery. Cutting immigration was down to the Conservative party, and sure, they've not done a very good job of it so far. However, the British government now have the choice to control immigration, and that's something the people have to pressure it to do. Remainism is the worst argument for controlled immigration.
The polls you seem to be relying on aren't actually telling any truths. Many come from partisan sources full of leading questions, which is why they were pro-EU before the referendum.
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