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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 15:54:09 GMT
Polls are indicative but you allude to a point I've made before. Those who wanted and want out are passionate about their wish, those who believe we should have remained see other priorities in their decision making so as you say may not vote or in elections may vote on other criteria. And that's real politik Thanks steve , fully agree. Nice to talk to an adult in this thread once again. The real politik is if remainers want the uk to rejoin they know what they need to do..... vote starmer.
The real politick is if brexiters want to stay out the EU , they know what they need to do. Crush labour. Its a simple and straight forward issue of going into the ballot box and voting for what you want. Ta, I really can't see Labour or any party questioning Brexit this side of the General Election after next. So 2029 at the earliest and IMHO 2039 might be closer. Two things would have to happen first a) clear indisputable evidence that we are less well off out b) The EU implement some sort of limit on freedom of movement |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 17:16:04 GMT
The part where you "Brexise" GE2015, GE2019, EU2019 and assert that their results mean that we have declared an emphatic No to the EU . You wanna dismiss polls completely? Fine. But don't tell me! Tell Sunak, Truss, Johnson, Reesmug, Braverman and the entire Conservative Party. Allow us all to see if their bollocks are as big as yours. Oh, so, you are a mouthbreather!  Well, this is you: I say: "If the 14-point Rejoin lead is down to the changes in economic situation; where does that leave the original Brexiteer "control and sovereignty" argument?" You say: "I hate Keith Starmer." No mate this is me....
Yup. No matter how much the subject bores you and no matter how much you hate Keith Starmer, the truth is, we have polls that say people want to rejoin. The question is why people want to rejoin. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 1, 2022 17:44:17 GMT
No mate this is me....
Yup. No matter how much the subject bores you and no matter how much you hate Keith Starmer, the truth is, we have polls that say people want to rejoin. The question is why people want to rejoin. Because they erroneously think it will happen, some even spend their time bellyaching on forums. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 1, 2022 19:17:53 GMT
Because they erroneously think it will happen, some even spend their time bellyaching on forums. Best to try and silence them, that's the democratic thing to do these fine days. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 22:17:22 GMT
Because they erroneously think it will happen, some even spend their time bellyaching on forums. Best to try and silence them, that's the democratic thing to do these fine days. No there is no campaign to silence them but there is anger at all the shenanigans from peers and mps who have actively been trying to block Brexit over the last few years and the collusion of much of the MSM (and the 'impartial' BBC) attempting to belittle Brexit and bring about some form of Remain. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 7:00:24 GMT
Best to try and silence them, that's the democratic thing to do these fine days. No there is no campaign to silence them but there is anger at all the shenanigans from peers and mps who have actively been trying to block Brexit over the last few years and the collusion of much of the MSM (and the 'impartial' BBC) attempting to belittle Brexit and bring about some form of Remain. You have obviously missed all comments along the the lines of Get over it you lost, Remoaners ETc. I would say 80% of the Brexit argument I hear these days is that those who think Brexit is not working should just shut up. I see no evidence of Brexit working to contradict the BBC's bias view. No persuasive arguments at all. Perhaps you could give me some examples of advantages Brexit was about to bring that have been stopped by Peers and MP's. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 7:57:07 GMT
Because they erroneously think it will happen, some even spend their time bellyaching on forums. Nah. ^ That's just inane, isn't it? How can people think rejoining will happen when even the opposition doesn't want it and is not planning to sign us up again? The poll suggests it's to do with the absolutely, relatively and comparatively bad state of the Brexit economy and the general malaise it has generated. Perma-crisis is worse in the UK. I suspect pollsters polled a lot from this new breed of voters -- the ones that Brexiteers seemingly fear most. These voters are young, pragmatic, cosmopolitan. They are neither bitter nor isolationist and they are seemingly not hemmed in by a fallacious and misguided sense of EU subjugation. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2022 8:19:52 GMT
Thanks steve , fully agree. Nice to talk to an adult in this thread once again. The real politik is if remainers want the uk to rejoin they know what they need to do..... vote starmer.
The real politick is if brexiters want to stay out the EU , they know what they need to do. Crush labour. Its a simple and straight forward issue of going into the ballot box and voting for what you want. Ta, I really can't see Labour or any party questioning Brexit this side of the General Election after next. So 2029 at the earliest and IMHO 2039 might be closer. Two things would have to happen first a) clear indisputable evidence that we are less well off out b) The EU implement some sort of limit on freedom of movement Well we will see steve. Politicians arent normally a trustworthy bunch , but starmer seems to be in a league of his own in and out of the labour party.
Interesting to see how that lack of trust impacts on labours performance in the next GE regarding brexit. Its been 8 years since the scot indy ref , and the scottish people ( latest 75%) dont like or trust labour enough to vote for them after their behaviour in scotland as the tories footsoldiers.
I dont think the english are going to be any less forgiving of them , regarding brexit.
Anyhow , we seem to be in the weird situation where the tories have a fairly popular leader , but the people are angry with the party , whereas labour have a fairly unpopular leader , but his party ahead in the polls.
Interesting times .
One things for sure , the old two party normal style politics dont appear to be resuming. FPTP , tactical voting and other issues are clouding over that fact . Brexit ,scot indy , mass immigration and many other issues are all still highly in the mix .
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 8:20:40 GMT
Because they erroneously think it will happen, some even spend their time bellyaching on forums. Nah. ^ That's just inane, isn't it? How can people think rejoining will happen when even the opposition doesn't want it and is not planning to sign us up again? The poll suggests it's to do with the absolutely, relatively and comparatively bad state of the Brexit economy and the general malaise it has generated. Perma-crisis is worse in the UK. I suspect pollsters polled a lot from this new breed of voters -- the ones that Brexiteers seemingly fear most. These voters are young, pragmatic, cosmopolitan. They are neither bitter nor isolationist and they are seemingly not hemmed in by a fallacious and misguided sense of EU subjugation.
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2022 8:36:24 GMT
Nah. ^ That's just inane, isn't it? How can people think rejoining will happen when even the opposition doesn't want it and is not planning to sign us up again? The poll suggests it's to do with the absolutely, relatively and comparatively bad state of the Brexit economy and the general malaise it has generated. Perma-crisis is worse in the UK. I suspect pollsters polled a lot from this new breed of voters -- the ones that Brexiteers seemingly fear most. These voters are young, pragmatic, cosmopolitan. They are neither bitter nor isolationist and they are seemingly not hemmed in by a fallacious and misguided sense of EU subjugation.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2022 9:17:34 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 11:13:39 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit. On an equally amusing note. All Brexiters have left now is to make up stories about remainers. All other arguments have run out. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 11:55:02 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit. Liz Truss and arguably, Rishi Sunak, are described as Neo-Liberals. They have never blamed Brexit for anything. In contrast, they reinforce it. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 2, 2022 16:39:37 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit. Why Brexit isn't working IT’S ALL COVID Yes folks, EVERYTHING which is going wrong in Britain now is all about Covid, even the stuff that’s only happening here and not in all those other countries that got Covid just as badly as we did. Fishing industry collapsed? The fish all got Covid! No good trade deals with anywhere? All the delegates got Covid! Kent’s a lorry park? Did you know trucks could get Covid? Well, can you prove that trucks DON’T get Covid? There you are then. IT’S ALL THE REMAINERS’ FAULT Ah yes, now we’re getting down to the heart of the matter. IT’S THE REMAINERS. There’s almost complete consensus among the Conserverati that the people who have been deliberately ignored, sidelined, belittled and specifically excluded from EVERY stage of the decision-making process for the last six and a half years have nonetheless somehow managed to screw that process up completely, by doing… something. Something remainery. Because when something is being done badly, it’s obviously the fault of the people who aren’t doing it, and not the people who ARE doing it. There can be no doubt that Brexit was the saving of our nation (Michael Gove says so, and if you can’t trust him, who CAN you trust) and would be going swimmingly if CERTAIN people didn’t keep pointing out that it isn’t, the lousy, reality-loving traitors. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/blame-brexit-heavens-no-its-the-fault-in-our-stars/ |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 17:05:29 GMT
On another amusing note, the Neo-Liberals now use Brexit as the go to excuse for their every failure around the globe. Its not their fault we have wars and inflation and austerity, oh no its Brexit. Why Brexit isn't working IT’S ALL COVID Yes folks, EVERYTHING which is going wrong in Britain now is all about Covid, even the stuff that’s only happening here and not in all those other countries that got Covid just as badly as we did. Fishing industry collapsed? The fish all got Covid! No good trade deals with anywhere? All the delegates got Covid! Kent’s a lorry park? Did you know trucks could get Covid? Well, can you prove that trucks DON’T get Covid? There you are then. IT’S ALL THE REMAINERS’ FAULT Ah yes, now we’re getting down to the heart of the matter. IT’S THE REMAINERS. There’s almost complete consensus among the Conserverati that the people who have been deliberately ignored, sidelined, belittled and specifically excluded from EVERY stage of the decision-making process for the last six and a half years have nonetheless somehow managed to screw that process up completely, by doing… something. Something remainery. Because when something is being done badly, it’s obviously the fault of the people who aren’t doing it, and not the people who ARE doing it. There can be no doubt that Brexit was the saving of our nation (Michael Gove says so, and if you can’t trust him, who CAN you trust) and would be going swimmingly if CERTAIN people didn’t keep pointing out that it isn’t, the lousy, reality-loving traitors. www.theneweuropean.co.uk/blame-brexit-heavens-no-its-the-fault-in-our-stars/Brilliant. |
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