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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 6:36:32 GMT
At the last gen election Jo Swinson led the Lib Dems on a rejoin the EU manifesto. I wonder how she's getting on with her knitting? Isn't it awful when you have to keep telling the same people the same thing. A form of madness. The reason the Tories won the 2019 election was not because 67% of the population suddenly decided they wanted Brexit. It was because 67% of the population feared Jeremy Corbyn gaining control of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 6:39:29 GMT
At the last gen election Jo Swinson led the Lib Dems on a rejoin the EU manifesto. I wonder how she's getting on with her knitting? Isn't it awful when you have to keep telling the same people the same thing. A form of madness. The reason the Tories won the 2019 election was not because 67% of the population suddenly decided they wanted Brexit. It was because 67% of the population feared Jeremy Corbyn gaining control of the country. Wild conjecture I'm afraid. Human beings are not binary objects.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 6:46:10 GMT
That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. The economy argument was used by remainers as 'project fear' to depict the demise of the UK economy solely on the basis for leaving the EU. Now, if people want to believe the EUvangelist's latest claims that Britain would benefit more than disadvantage itself by rejoining the EU amid global economic issues then more fool them. Seems project fear was on the right track, the UK economy is crap, the promised trade deals haven't happened, the pound worth f'all. Seems the EU weren't holding us back after all. And all those EU bureaucratic regulations that were costing British businesses millions? They're all still there with a pile of new ones on top. No wonder folks have lost faith. As you you Brexiters soo like to say. FFS get over it. Your project has failed, it didn't work, its defunct. Now a very large majority of British citizens want to end it and re-join the EU.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 6:48:50 GMT
Isn't it awful when you have to keep telling the same people the same thing. A form of madness. The reason the Tories won the 2019 election was not because 67% of the population suddenly decided they wanted Brexit. It was because 67% of the population feared Jeremy Corbyn gaining control of the country. Wild conjecture I'm afraid. Human beings are not binary objects. Yet apparently claiming support for the Tories was all about "getting Brexit done" is not wild conjecture. And these humans are binary objects. I'm not the one claiming the 2019 election was proof of massive support for Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 7:02:45 GMT
Wild conjecture I'm afraid. Human beings are not binary objects. Yet apparently claiming support for the Tories was all about "getting Brexit done" is not wild conjecture. And these humans are binary objects. I'm not the one claiming the 2019 election was proof of massive support for Brexit. I would say it was a major contributing factor, considering the people voted to leave the EU via referendum.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2022 7:14:05 GMT
"But despite the strong public opinion shift towards wanting to rejoin the EU, no major political party is actively campaigning to do so."There is your answer That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. If rejoining were as popular as you suggest then one of the major parties would be advocating that. However it seems that they are as suspicious of the accuracy of these polls (perhaps after getting bitten last time ) as I am.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 29, 2022 7:31:15 GMT
Wild conjecture I'm afraid. Human beings are not binary objects. Yet apparently claiming support for the Tories was all about "getting Brexit done" is not wild conjecture. And these humans are binary objects. I'm not the one claiming the 2019 election was proof of massive support for Brexit. Probably because the globalists have taken it personally as an attack on them. Either way we are aboard the Titanic it would seem suits their needs.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 8:02:30 GMT
Yet apparently claiming support for the Tories was all about "getting Brexit done" is not wild conjecture. And these humans are binary objects. I'm not the one claiming the 2019 election was proof of massive support for Brexit. I would say it was a major contributing factor, considering the people voted to leave the EU via referendum. Wild conjecture, I'm afraid. Not supported by the dozens/hundreds of polls done since 2016.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 29, 2022 8:06:37 GMT
The proportion of people who are in favour of EU membership has gone up because the Remainers have NEVER stopped campaigning for the EU but the Leavers have moved on to more productive activities. I'm afraid people are very suggestible and most of them haven't got a clue what the EU is - and that includes our politicians. Their views simply reflect what the last person told them.
I wonder if people have considered what would have happened during the Covid pandemic if we'd been EU members. Would we have been allowed to do furlough in the way we did? Almost certainly not. The EU has strict rules about what amounts to subsidising business. And would we have had the vaccines in the quantities and at the time we got them. Again, certainly not. People love to hate Boris but there's no doubt that his vaccine procurement and vaccination itself were exceptionally well executed. It saved a lot of lives.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 8:06:38 GMT
That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. If rejoining were as popular as you suggest then one of the major parties would be advocating that. However it seems that they are as suspicious of the accuracy of these polls (perhaps after getting bitten last time ) as I am. Of course you are, its your worst nightmare. But every poll, every year the gap gets bigger. I wont be ignored for much longer. I think Labour will take us back in without a referendum, but simply by closer ties, matching regulations and trade deals. Everything bar FoM. Which is what we could have had without all the pain of Brexit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 8:08:42 GMT
That is the wrong answer. I'm not asking about party politics. (Although a separate discussion about it would be most welcome.) I am wondering what has happened to the notion of regaining control and freedom and sovereignty on which the leave vote was premised in 2016. The economy was almost a non-starter argument then. Now it is, apparently, a major (if not the only) influence on people's attitudes towards EU membership. If rejoining were as popular as you suggest then one of the major parties would be advocating that. However it seems that they are as suspicious of the accuracy of these polls (perhaps after getting bitten last time ) as I am. My own question presupposes these polls' accuracy in the same, exact way your statement presupposes that every political party doubts their accuracy. The polls may not be accurate but that is another question. Political parties may be doubtful of these polls' accuracy but that is also another question. For now, the polls are accurate and political parties are not doubtful of their accuracy. If you don't want to answer my question since you are more concerned about polls rather than anything else, then just say so and move on. Don't question the question itself. Don't answer the question if you're only going to deflect, redirect and hop on your merry-go-round again.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 29, 2022 8:14:33 GMT
On a side note, it has always been wash rinse repeat, EU expansionism has no boundaries. politically or militarily as the Russians have learnt the hard way.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 8:16:34 GMT
The proportion of people who are in favour of EU membership has gone up because the Remainers have NEVER stopped campaigning for the EU but the Leavers have moved on to more productive activities. I'm afraid people are very suggestible and most of them haven't got a clue what the EU is - and that includes our politicians. Their views simply reflect what the last person told them. Or that the old farts who voted to stop Germany invading are all dying and the young people who are actually effected by Brexit are reaching voting age. Yes of course we would many EU countries did the same thing. I loved Boris for both the accelerated vaccine and the furlough. Interestingly; by March 2021 around 45% of UK citizens had received their first dose by March 2021 around 40% of EU citizens had received their first dose. Well done Britain, but not as big a gap as most people think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2022 8:16:58 GMT
The proportion of people who are in favour of EU membership has gone up because the Remainers have NEVER stopped campaigning for the EU but the Leavers have moved on to more productive activities. I'm afraid people are very suggestible and most of them haven't got a clue what the EU is - and that includes our politicians. Their views simply reflect what the last person told them. I wonder if people have considered what would have happened during the Covid pandemic if we'd been EU members. Would we have been allowed to do furlough in the way we did? Almost certainly not. The EU has strict rules about what amounts to subsidising business. And would we have had the vaccines in the quantities and at the time we got them. Again, certainly not. People love to hate Boris but there's no doubt that his vaccine procurement and vaccination itself were exceptionally well executed. It saved a lot of lives. I would imagine the Remainers are very small today, but they're a lot like the far-left activists in this country. Very loud, always seeking attention, but totally unelectable. Hardly worth the distraction - it's the same old same old.
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Post by zanygame on Oct 29, 2022 8:23:06 GMT
The proportion of people who are in favour of EU membership has gone up because the Remainers have NEVER stopped campaigning for the EU but the Leavers have moved on to more productive activities. I'm afraid people are very suggestible and most of them haven't got a clue what the EU is - and that includes our politicians. Their views simply reflect what the last person told them. I wonder if people have considered what would have happened during the Covid pandemic if we'd been EU members. Would we have been allowed to do furlough in the way we did? Almost certainly not. The EU has strict rules about what amounts to subsidising business. And would we have had the vaccines in the quantities and at the time we got them. Again, certainly not. People love to hate Boris but there's no doubt that his vaccine procurement and vaccination itself were exceptionally well executed. It saved a lot of lives. I would imagine the Remainers are very small today, but they're a lot like the far-left activists in this country. Very loud, always seeking attention, but totally unelectable. Hardly worth the distraction - it's the same old same old. You have a vivid imagination. Have you considered posting on the writing thread? Meanwhile the polls tell a more accurate story.
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