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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 9:51:15 GMT
Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? For fuck sake! Redders, France is not at war, the UN consider it to be a safe state. Christ almighty don't take my word for it, check it out. By a process of elimination you can see his position must be that everyone should be allowed to enter the UK from anywhere and by any means. This is not a 'real position', - in that it isn't a thought out advocacy with pluses and negatives considered - it is rather an implicit position drawn from a relentless attempt to attack / abuse one community by leaving them with no rights to their own territory. It's exactly how someone might attempt to genocide a group with a creeping legalism |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2023 10:18:19 GMT
Do you think it's a deliberate policy to take that long? Ask your MP. It’s not because they are suffering persecution. They are in France . So? You do realise that France is on the way to the UK? You also realise that more DO apply for asylum in France than the UK? How would you recommend that asylum seekers apply for asylum to the UK? |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 10:24:44 GMT
Ask your MP. It’s not because they are suffering persecution. They are in France . So? You do realise that France is on the way to the UK? You also realise that more DO apply for asylum in France than the UK? How would you recommend that asylum seekers apply for asylum to the UK? All of this is an irrelevancy. They don't have a right to enter the uk simply because they want to. The asylum system is designed to allow people to flee danger, not to get into the UK. I would recommend that someone who is somewhere safe and has no right to enter the uk, should stay where they are. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2023 10:26:13 GMT
That is your misunderstanding.
But just to help you out, around 80% of those arriving are granted asylum.
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 10:30:31 GMT
That is your misunderstanding. But just to help you out, around 80% of those arriving are granted asylum. No- it's not my misunderstanding. Even if you have a genuine claim to be fleeing (ie you can't be sent to your starting point), you're still committing a crime by deciding to leave somewhere safe by crossing a border in an irregular way. The best way to understand this - The asylum system is designed to allow people to flee danger, not to get them into the UK |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:35:11 GMT
I have made no false claims. I agree though that they are not persecuted in France but France is part of their route to the UK, do you expect them to go around. You idea that asylum seekers are criminals is false. So why did you falsely claim that they were persecuted? Using paying criminals to illegally enter the UK is colluding with criminals. They are criminals. There is nothing false in "they are fleeing persecution in their own country" which I have said time and time again but of course you know that and are playing games. They have the right to pass through as many countries they wish to arrive where they want to claim asylum. Some people believe they should stop in the first 'safe' country they come to which would mean the countries closest to their homes would be swamped but that does not seem to matter to those that are against asylum seekers, the rules regarding asylum seeker travel is designed to ease the pressure on those countries. Using criminals to come her is not 'colluding' it is being 'exploited' by the criminals. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:36:03 GMT
They don’t come by train . Or any other legal method of transport . Precisely, this country has closed the 'legal' routes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:37:05 GMT
Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? For fuck sake! Redders, France is not at war, the UN consider it to be a safe state. Christ almighty don't take my word for it, check it out. France is safe, I have never said differently but it is not where a few asylum seekers wish to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:39:10 GMT
So why did you falsely claim that they were persecuted? Using paying criminals to illegally enter the UK is colluding with criminals. They are criminals. Yes they are funding International Crimes Syndicates, the boat people entering the UK unlawfully an Offence in its own right , the fact that few are prosecuted for doing so is immaterial And while our government continues with not re-opening 'safe' routes this will continue. It is our government that is 'encouraging' the people traffickers, take away the source, take away the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 11:40:37 GMT
For fuck sake! Redders, France is not at war, the UN consider it to be a safe state. Christ almighty don't take my word for it, check it out. By a process of elimination you can see his position must be that everyone should be allowed to enter the UK from anywhere and by any means. This is not a 'real position', - in that it isn't a thought out advocacy with pluses and negatives considered - it is rather an implicit position drawn from a relentless attempt to attack / abuse one community by leaving them with no rights to their own territory. It's exactly how someone might attempt to genocide a group with a creeping legalism My position does not say 'everyone' should be allowed into the country and you know it does not. If the government did it's job we would not have this problem. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 11:44:20 GMT
By a process of elimination you can see his position must be that everyone should be allowed to enter the UK from anywhere and by any means. This is not a 'real position', - in that it isn't a thought out advocacy with pluses and negatives considered - it is rather an implicit position drawn from a relentless attempt to attack / abuse one community by leaving them with no rights to their own territory. It's exactly how someone might attempt to genocide a group with a creeping legalism My position does not say 'everyone' should be allowed into the country and you know it does not. If the government did it's job we would not have this problem. That is your position - and yes I am implying the corollary - that your position is racist/ abusive and designed to target a community.. If you disagree, can you outline a way or means by which you feel somebody should not be allowed to enter? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 12:01:01 GMT
My position does not say 'everyone' should be allowed into the country and you know it does not. If the government did it's job we would not have this problem. That is your position - and yes I am implying the corollary - that your position is racist/ abusive and designed to target a community.. If you disagree, can you outline a way or means by which you feel somebody should not be allowed to enter? Hate to tell you but it categorically is not. I have already said how asylum seekers should enter this country. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 12:09:39 GMT
That is your position - and yes I am implying the corollary - that your position is racist/ abusive and designed to target a community.. If you disagree, can you outline a way or means by which you feel somebody should not be allowed to enter? I have already said how asylum seekers should enter this country. I challenged to do the opposite - but you don't seem to be able to. By what means/method do you feel it should be illegal to enter the UK - ie illegal in the sense that the entry can be stopped? None? This is the process of elimination I refereed to earlier |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 12:53:54 GMT
I have already said how asylum seekers should enter this country. I challenged to do the opposite - but you don't seem to be able to. By what means/method do you feel it should be illegal to enter the UK - ie illegal in the sense that the entry can be stopped? None? This is the process of elimination I refereed to earlier It is against international law to stop asylum seekers entering the country and claiming asylum? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:03:04 GMT
For fuck sake! Redders, France is not at war, the UN consider it to be a safe state. Christ almighty don't take my word for it, check it out. France is safe, I have never said differently but it is not where a few asylum seekers wish to go. You must really hate England to want to subject it to even more criminal gangs. |
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