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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:06:25 GMT
France is safe, I have never said differently but it is not where a few asylum seekers wish to go. You must really hate England to want to subject it to even more criminal gangs. Not at all but I do wish that are government would abide by the rules that we helped make with the help of Winston Churchill, probably our best PM. Asylum seekers are not criminal gangs, criminal gangs are the people that use our inaction to get asylum seekers over here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:11:26 GMT
You must really hate England to want to subject it to even more criminal gangs. Not at all but I do wish that are government would abide by the rules that we helped make with the help of Winston Churchill, probably our best PM. Asylum seekers are not criminal gangs, criminal gangs are the people that use our inaction to get asylum seekers over here. You're claiming that everyone in the world can break into this country, and that it would be illegal to obstruct them in anyway. You may call them asylum seekers, whilst admitting that they're in a safe country, but that's because your party is shamelessly corrupt and supporting criminal gangs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:15:30 GMT
Not at all but I do wish that are government would abide by the rules that we helped make with the help of Winston Churchill, probably our best PM. Asylum seekers are not criminal gangs, criminal gangs are the people that use our inaction to get asylum seekers over here. You're claiming that everyone in the world can break into this country, and that it would be illegal to obstruct them in anyway. You may call them asylum seekers, whilst admitting that they're in a safe country, but that's because your party is shamelessly corrupt and supporting criminal gangs. You cannot break into a country. I did not say it was illegal' to obstruct them but that is a very broad term and means very little. We can, of course, detain and process their claims thereby determining who is eligible and who is not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:21:07 GMT
You're claiming that everyone in the world can break into this country, and that it would be illegal to obstruct them in anyway. You may call them asylum seekers, whilst admitting that they're in a safe country, but that's because your party is shamelessly corrupt and supporting criminal gangs. You cannot break into a country. I did not say it was illegal' to obstruct them but that is a very broad term and means very little. We can, of course, detain and process their claims thereby determining who is eligible and who is not. Yes you can.
You are clearly part of the criminal network (too broad for you?)
We can listen to the real, ordinary people who are directly affected by your lust for people trafficking.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 13:25:34 GMT
So why did you falsely claim that they were persecuted? Using paying criminals to illegally enter the UK is colluding with criminals. They are criminals. There is nothing false in "they are fleeing persecution in their own country" which I have said time and time again but of course you know that and are playing games. They have the right to pass through as many countries they wish to arrive where they want to claim asylum. Some people believe they should stop in the first 'safe' country they come to which would mean the countries closest to their homes would be swamped but that does not seem to matter to those that are against asylum seekers, the rules regarding asylum seeker travel is designed to ease the pressure on those countries. Using criminals to come her is not 'colluding' it is being 'exploited' by the criminals. They are not in their ‘ own’ country . They are in France . They are not being persecuted in France . So your claim that they are being persecuted is clearly false . They do not have the right to pay criminals to illegally enter the UK . They are criminals that are paying people traffickers to illegally enter the UK . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:32:19 GMT
You cannot break into a country. I did not say it was illegal' to obstruct them but that is a very broad term and means very little. We can, of course, detain and process their claims thereby determining who is eligible and who is not. Yes you can.
You are clearly part of the criminal network (too broad for you?)
We can listen to the real, ordinary people who are directly affected by your lust for people trafficking.
Don't act daft it's not locked. You can enter by an unauthorised route but having said that most of them are brought to our shores by the coastguard or RNLI. Labelling me as part of the criminal network is just desperation. When have I supported people smugglers? When you have nothing left resort to lies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:34:38 GMT
Yes you can.
You are clearly part of the criminal network (too broad for you?)
We can listen to the real, ordinary people who are directly affected by your lust for people trafficking.
Don't act daft it's not locked. You can enter by an unauthorised route but having said that most of them are brought to our shores by the coastguard or RNLI. Labelling me as part of the criminal network is just desperation. When have I supported people smugglers? When you have nothing left resort to lies. Of course it's locked. There are laws against it.
No it isn't, it's what you are doing.
On practically every post. The end result is the same.
Which is probably why you resort to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:35:03 GMT
There is nothing false in "they are fleeing persecution in their own country" which I have said time and time again but of course you know that and are playing games. They have the right to pass through as many countries they wish to arrive where they want to claim asylum. Some people believe they should stop in the first 'safe' country they come to which would mean the countries closest to their homes would be swamped but that does not seem to matter to those that are against asylum seekers, the rules regarding asylum seeker travel is designed to ease the pressure on those countries. Using criminals to come her is not 'colluding' it is being 'exploited' by the criminals. They are not in their ‘ own’ country . They are in France . They are not being persecuted in France . So your claim that they are being persecuted is clearly false . They do not have the right to pay criminals to illegally enter the UK . They are criminals that are paying people traffickers to illegally enter the UK . By definition your own argument contradicts what you are saying, if they are not in their own country they are still fleeing. Asylum seekers are not criminals and you would do exactly the same in their place. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 13:40:51 GMT
They are not in their ‘ own’ country . They are in France . They are not being persecuted in France . So your claim that they are being persecuted is clearly false . They do not have the right to pay criminals to illegally enter the UK . They are criminals that are paying people traffickers to illegally enter the UK . By definition your own argument contradicts what you are saying, if they are not in their own country they are still fleeing. Asylum seekers are not criminals and you would do exactly the same in their place. You are the one contradicting yourself . You claim that they are being persecuted but they are in France . Are you claiming that they are being persecuted in France ? Migrants who illegally enter the UK by paying criminal gangs are criminals. You keep repeating your false claims . They are still false . |
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Post by Orac on Jul 9, 2023 13:41:13 GMT
I challenged to do the opposite - but you don't seem to be able to. By what means/method do you feel it should be illegal to enter the UK - ie illegal in the sense that the entry can be stopped? None? This is the process of elimination I refereed to earlier It is against international law to stop asylum seekers entering the country and claiming asylum? It actually isn't. Asylum seekers only have a right to cross a national border in order to flee a recognized danger. They don't have a generalized right to cross any national border Anyway - it's clear you can't provide an answer to my question because you feel everyone has the (should have) right to enter the UK - as a i said. Your position is abusive and likely motivated by racism. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:45:23 GMT
It is against international law to stop asylum seekers entering the country and claiming asylum? It actually isn't. Asylum seekers only have a right to cross a national border in order to flee a recognized danger. They don't have a generalized right to cross any national border Anyway - it's clear you can't provide an answer to my question because you feel everyone has the (should have) right to enter the UK - as a i said. Your position is abusive and likely motivated by racism. It's about time people called it out for what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:49:41 GMT
Don't act daft it's not locked. You can enter by an unauthorised route but having said that most of them are brought to our shores by the coastguard or RNLI. Labelling me as part of the criminal network is just desperation. When have I supported people smugglers? When you have nothing left resort to lies. Of course it's locked. There are laws against it.
No it isn't, it's what you are doing.
On practically every post. The end result is the same.
Which is probably why you resort to them.
Laws are not locks. I am not committing criminal acts as you are suggesting. Do you deny there is international law that specifically states that asylum seekers do not have to stay in the first or second..... safe country they arrive in, which involved the British governments cooperation in creating? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:51:11 GMT
Are you really this dim or are dumb arguments all you're left with? Laws can be broken. As for the rest of your post I see no point in repeating myself, even if this is all you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:52:43 GMT
By definition your own argument contradicts what you are saying, if they are not in their own country they are still fleeing. Asylum seekers are not criminals and you would do exactly the same in their place. You are the one contradicting yourself . You claim that they are being persecuted but they are in France . Are you claiming that they are being persecuted in France ? Migrants who illegally enter the UK by paying criminal gangs are criminals. You keep repeating your false claims . They are still false . I have not said they are being persecuted in France but you keep bring it up, I have said they are allowed to pass through France to reach a destination of their choice by law. You keep saying this but have not declared if you would do the same thing in their situation as I have. Show me my claims are false then. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 13:56:37 GMT
It is against international law to stop asylum seekers entering the country and claiming asylum? It actually isn't. Asylum seekers only have a right to cross a national border in order to flee a recognized danger. They don't have a generalized right to cross any national border Anyway - it's clear you can't provide an answer to my question because you feel everyone has the (should have) right to enter the UK - as a i said. Your position is abusive and likely motivated by racism. Q. Under the Geneva Convention refugees should seek refuge in the first safe country they come to. OUR VERDICT A. Incorrect. The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries. Full fact. They do. So someone is arguing for the legal rights of asylum seekers, thereby people foreign to this country is a racist, how do you work that little mind melt out? |
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