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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 6:12:52 GMT
If it was that simple it shouldn't take the government over a year to assess the claims... It is not only simple, it is fact . They are not suffering persecution. Then why should they leave their country if they are not being persecuted, although there are many other reasons to leave their country. They 'decide' to leave their country and seek refuge in a 'particular' country which is perfectly legal under international law. You keep repeating that they are in a safe country without, it seems, realising that they do not have to stay there, by law. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2023 7:05:06 GMT
So why does the government take so long to decide these cases then? How would you speed it up?. Given they dont have ID so there is no way to easily identify their home country how would you make the decision process quicker?. Would you restrict their Legal Aid? - restrict their Appeals - exempt them from the Human Rights Act?.. It's easy to say but in todays society full of ambulance chasing lawyers I'm not sure its as easy as you claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 7:26:31 GMT
So why does the government take so long to decide these cases then? How would you speed it up?. Given they dont have ID so there is no way to easily identify their home country how would you make the decision process quicker?. Would you restrict their Legal Aid? - restrict their Appeals - exempt them from the Human Rights Act?.. It's easy to say but in todays society full of ambulance chasing lawyers I'm not sure its as easy as you claim. Language, probable route, interpreters, e thnicity, interviews, accent, police records fingerprints etc. Border force use these methods all the time with great success. Defining where in the world someone comes from is a relatively easy thing to do, it's not even a difficult job to discover where someone comes from in the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:05:14 GMT
Do you think it's a deliberate policy to take that long? Ask your MP. It’s not because they are suffering persecution. They are in France . |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:10:37 GMT
It is not only simple, it is fact . They are not suffering persecution. Then why should they leave their country if they are not being persecuted, although there are many other reasons to leave their country. They 'decide' to leave their country and seek refuge in a 'particular' country which is perfectly legal under international law. You keep repeating that they are in a safe country without, it seems, realising that they do not have to stay there, by law. You keep repeating that they are suffering persecution, hence your non point question . When this is pointed out as a false , you switch to saying that they can choose whatever country they want to stay . When you are told that they are paying criminal gangs to get into the UK and are therefore criminals then you switch back to making the false claim that they are persecuted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 8:10:51 GMT
Do you think it's a deliberate policy to take that long? Ask your MP. It’s not because they are suffering persecution. They are in France . Why do you keep repeating yourself. Do they have, in international law, to stay in France? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 8:12:52 GMT
Then why should they leave their country if they are not being persecuted, although there are many other reasons to leave their country. They 'decide' to leave their country and seek refuge in a 'particular' country which is perfectly legal under international law. You keep repeating that they are in a safe country without, it seems, realising that they do not have to stay there, by law. You keep repeating that they are suffering persecution, hence your non point question . When this is pointed out as a false , you switch to saying that they can choose whatever country they want to stay . When you are told that they are paying criminal gangs to get into the UK and are therefore criminals then you switch back to making the false claim that they are persecuted. It is not illegal to pay someone to take you somewhere. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:12:59 GMT
Ask your MP. It’s not because they are suffering persecution. They are in France . Why do you keep repeating yourself. Do they have, in international law, to stay in France? Why do you keep repeating your false claims ? I repeat facts ..they are not persecuted in France . They are paying criminal gangs to enter the UK . Which makes them criminals. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:13:42 GMT
You keep repeating that they are suffering persecution, hence your non point question . When this is pointed out as a false , you switch to saying that they can choose whatever country they want to stay . When you are told that they are paying criminal gangs to get into the UK and are therefore criminals then you switch back to making the false claim that they are persecuted. It is not illegal to pay someone to take you somewhere. They don’t come by taxi . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 8:15:31 GMT
Why do you keep repeating yourself. Do they have, in international law, to stay in France? Why do you keep repeating your false claims ? I repeat facts ..they are not persecuted in France . They are paying criminal gangs to enter the UK . Which makes them criminals. I have made no false claims. I agree though that they are not persecuted in France but France is part of their route to the UK, do you expect them to go around. You idea that asylum seekers are criminals is false. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 8:16:49 GMT
It is not illegal to pay someone to take you somewhere. They don’t come by taxi . Who mentioned taxi's? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:18:12 GMT
Why do you keep repeating your false claims ? I repeat facts ..they are not persecuted in France . They are paying criminal gangs to enter the UK . Which makes them criminals. I have made no false claims. I agree though that they are not persecuted in France but France is part of their route to the UK, do you expect them to go around. You idea that asylum seekers are criminals is false. So why did you falsely claim that they were persecuted? Using paying criminals to illegally enter the UK is colluding with criminals. They are criminals. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 9, 2023 8:18:50 GMT
They don’t come by taxi . Who mentioned taxi's? They don’t come by train . Or any other legal method of transport . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 9, 2023 8:40:18 GMT
Absolutely right, some people seem to be incapable of understanding that it is in fact against the law to pay a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B'. For some inexplicable reason every criminal who lands on an English beach is treated as a poor traumatised refugee and whisked away to a comfortable hotel which is costing tax payers £7 million a day. We are the biggest fuckin mugs in the world. Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? For fuck sake! Redders, France is not at war, the UN consider it to be a safe state. Christ almighty don't take my word for it, check it out. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 9, 2023 9:37:50 GMT
I have made no false claims. I agree though that they are not persecuted in France but France is part of their route to the UK, do you expect them to go around. You idea that asylum seekers are criminals is false. So why did you falsely claim that they were persecuted? Using paying criminals to illegally enter the UK is colluding with criminals. They are criminals. Yes they are funding International Crimes Syndicates, the boat people entering the UK unlawfully an Offence in its own right , the fact that few are prosecuted for doing so is immaterial |
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