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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 12:01:02 GMT
You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers . That would make you a criminal . They are not desperate, they are in France . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They don’t need to ask. You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers. Which you would do. You have been told this many times, they have the right to claim asylum in any country they wish travelling through 'safe' countries on their way. You do not know what the 'will of the people is', there has been no referendum held. Is your contention that people fleeing for their lives or starvation should stay in their own country and not attempt to flee? Yes, you keep repeating this strawman . You have been repeatedly told that claiming others would be criminals doesn’t excuse the criminals . You are repeatedly told that they are not in danger . So you point about being desperate is a non point ( you been repeatedly told this ). Illegal immigrants paying criminals to take them from a safe country into the UK should be considered criminals. I know that the will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They are not fleeing for their lives. You have been corrected on this many times but you still keep spouting this false claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 13:35:01 GMT
You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers. Which you would do. You have been told this many times, they have the right to claim asylum in any country they wish travelling through 'safe' countries on their way. You do not know what the 'will of the people is', there has been no referendum held. Is your contention that people fleeing for their lives or starvation should stay in their own country and not attempt to flee? Yes, you keep repeating this strawman . You have been repeatedly told that claiming others would be criminals doesn’t excuse the criminals . You are repeatedly told that they are not in danger . So you point about being desperate is a non point ( you been repeatedly told this ). Illegal immigrants paying criminals to take them from a safe country into the UK should be considered criminals. I know that the will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They are not fleeing for their lives. You have been corrected on this many times but you still keep spouting this false claim. Another question unanswered. Do you think oppressed people in countries should not leave and stay and suffer the persecution? You seem to be making that point. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 14:37:10 GMT
Yes, you keep repeating this strawman . You have been repeatedly told that claiming others would be criminals doesn’t excuse the criminals . You are repeatedly told that they are not in danger . So you point about being desperate is a non point ( you been repeatedly told this ). Illegal immigrants paying criminals to take them from a safe country into the UK should be considered criminals. I know that the will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They are not fleeing for their lives. You have been corrected on this many times but you still keep spouting this false claim. Another question unanswered. Do you think oppressed people in countries should not leave and stay and suffer the persecution? You seem to be making that point. They not suffering persecution. They are in France . You seem to think that if you repeat a false claim enough times it becomes fact . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 15:25:45 GMT
Another question unanswered. Do you think oppressed people in countries should not leave and stay and suffer the persecution? You seem to be making that point. They not suffering persecution. They are in France . You seem to think that if you repeat a false claim enough times it becomes fact . Your insistence on insulting me by calling me a 'strawman' is as visible as it derogatory. You will not answer sensible questions because you know the answer would destroy your argument. Asylum seekers do not have to stay in a safe country they pass through by international law and until that law changes that is the way it is. You would, in the circumstances, take any measures you could even if it's illegal if you or your family were in danger, why you cannot extend that right to others is beyond me. The asylum seekers cannot apply to the French for asylum in the UK and there is no other path open to them but to pay traffickers to cross the channel. If the government processed them, successful asylum seekers could get jobs and contribute to our society whilst those that are unsuccessful could be returned. Do you think we should not take asylum seekers? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 15:34:33 GMT
They not suffering persecution. They are in France . You seem to think that if you repeat a false claim enough times it becomes fact . Your insistence on insulting me by calling me a 'strawman' is as visible as it derogatory. You will not answer sensible questions because you know the answer would destroy your argument. Asylum seekers do not have to stay in a safe country they pass through by international law and until that law changes that is the way it is. You would, in the circumstances, take any measures you could even if it's illegal if you or your family were in danger, why you cannot extend that right to others is beyond me. The asylum seekers cannot apply to the French for asylum in the UK and there is no other path open to them but to pay traffickers to cross the channel. If the government processed them, successful asylum seekers could get jobs and contribute to our society whilst those that are unsuccessful could be returned. Do you think we should not take asylum seekers? A straw man is a specific type of fallacy . It’s not a personal insult.I will not respond to straw man fallacy . I have also pointed out that claiming that others will commit a crime doesn’t excuse the crime . Whatever you feel you are gaining in repeating the same strawman and insisting that I answer a pointless question ..you are not . The illegal immigrants are criminals to transport them from a safe country into the UK. I do not think that we should these criminals into the UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 17:03:48 GMT
Your insistence on insulting me by calling me a 'strawman' is as visible as it derogatory. You will not answer sensible questions because you know the answer would destroy your argument. Asylum seekers do not have to stay in a safe country they pass through by international law and until that law changes that is the way it is. You would, in the circumstances, take any measures you could even if it's illegal if you or your family were in danger, why you cannot extend that right to others is beyond me. The asylum seekers cannot apply to the French for asylum in the UK and there is no other path open to them but to pay traffickers to cross the channel. If the government processed them, successful asylum seekers could get jobs and contribute to our society whilst those that are unsuccessful could be returned. Do you think we should not take asylum seekers? A straw man is a specific type of fallacy . It’s not a personal insult.I will not respond to straw man fallacy . I have also pointed out that claiming that others will commit a crime doesn’t excuse the crime . Whatever you feel you are gaining in repeating the same strawman and insisting that I answer a pointless question ..you are not . The illegal immigrants are criminals to transport them from a safe country into the UK. I do not think that we should these criminals into the UK. Why is it, then a pointless question? You are attempting to dodge a question by insults because you know you would do the same. The 'illegal' immigrants do not transport the asylum seekers across the channel the smugglers do. We should be opening safe routes, processing and returning 'legally', that will stop the smugglers. Doing what we are doing is 'encouraging' the smugglers. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 8, 2023 19:26:15 GMT
It’s not cheap to hire the criminal people trafficking gangs to get you over here . Desperation isn’t an excuse to break the law. I think you'll find it is. Self defence is one such example, fleeing oppression is another. Criminal traffickers are a different situation, they are not asylum seekers. If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law'?Nope, would you woke wonky? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 21:31:13 GMT
A straw man is a specific type of fallacy . It’s not a personal insult.I will not respond to straw man fallacy . I have also pointed out that claiming that others will commit a crime doesn’t excuse the crime . Whatever you feel you are gaining in repeating the same strawman and insisting that I answer a pointless question ..you are not . The illegal immigrants are criminals to transport them from a safe country into the UK. I do not think that we should these criminals into the UK. Why is it, then a pointless question? You are attempting to dodge a question by insults because you know you would do the same. The 'illegal' immigrants do not transport the asylum seekers across the channel the smugglers do. We should be opening safe routes, processing and returning 'legally', that will stop the smugglers. Doing what we are doing is 'encouraging' the smugglers. Stop claiming that me pointing out your fallacies is an insult. Your pointless question is not my problem . Claiming others would commit crimes does not excuse the crime . You keep being told this , you keep ignoring it . The illegal immigrants pay criminal gangs to transport them from one safe country to another . You keep being told this , you keep ignoring it . Yes doing what we are doing is encouraging the illegal immigrants . We should make sure that the immigrants criminal activity is not rewarded . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 8, 2023 22:24:40 GMT
Another question unanswered. Do you think oppressed people in countries should not leave and stay and suffer the persecution? You seem to be making that point. They not suffering persecution. They are in France . You seem to think that if you repeat a false claim enough times it becomes fact . If it was that simple it shouldn't take the government over a year to assess the claims... |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 22:35:15 GMT
They not suffering persecution. They are in France . You seem to think that if you repeat a false claim enough times it becomes fact . If it was that simple it shouldn't take the government over a year to assess the claims... It is not only simple, it is fact . They are not suffering persecution. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 8, 2023 22:40:47 GMT
So why does the government take so long to decide these cases then?
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 22:43:58 GMT
So why does the government take so long to decide these cases then? Ask the government…then… They are not suffering persecution. They are in France . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2023 5:24:11 GMT
Do you think it's a deliberate policy to take that long?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 6:01:31 GMT
I think you'll find it is. Self defence is one such example, fleeing oppression is another. Criminal traffickers are a different situation, they are not asylum seekers. If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law'?Nope, would you woke wonky? At least you have an answer although I do not believe it. And yes I would. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 6:07:12 GMT
Stop claiming that me pointing out your fallacies is an insult. Your pointless question is not my problem . Claiming others would commit crimes does not excuse the crime . You keep being told this , you keep ignoring it . The illegal immigrants pay criminal gangs to transport them from one safe country to another . You keep being told this , you keep ignoring it . Yes doing what we are doing is encouraging the illegal immigrants . We should make sure that the immigrants criminal activity is not rewarded . Why is my question pointless unless the fact that if the roles were reversed and you were in the same situation as the asylum seekers you would do exactly the same thing. What you are doing is blaming the victims instead of a government that could deal with the issue and save us money. You keep being told that they do not have to stay in a safe country to claim asylum, maybe they speak English and not French, maybe they have relatives or friends in the UK and you would expect them to stay in a country where they know no one and don't speak the language. The Traffickers are the people we should be targeting not, as you would wish, the victims of the traffickers. |
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