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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2023 9:08:11 GMT
It’s not cheap to hire the criminal people trafficking gangs to get you over here . Desperation isn’t an excuse to break the law. I think you'll find it is. Self defence is one such example, fleeing oppression is another. Criminal traffickers are a different situation, they are not asylum seekers. If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law'? I think you will find it’s not . Using criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK is a criminal act and should not be encouraged . Not only that but uncontrolled or excessive immigration is nit in the interests of the UK public . If you are not willing to be personally affected by the negative effects of excessive immigration then you support the Tory line of limiting it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 9:21:27 GMT
I think you'll find it is. Self defence is one such example, fleeing oppression is another. Criminal traffickers are a different situation, they are not asylum seekers. If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law'? I think you will find it’s not . Using criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK is a criminal act and should not be encouraged . Not only that but uncontrolled or excessive immigration is nit in the interests of the UK public . If you are not willing to be personally affected by the negative effects of excessive immigration then you support the Tory line of limiting it. Asylum seekers are using whatever method they can to flee for their lives, as would you. Or are you saying that if your life was threatened and your only route to escape was to pay traffickers to get you across the channel, you would consider it inappropriate? You forgot to answer, "If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law"? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 7, 2023 16:53:12 GMT
I think you will find it’s not . Using criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK is a criminal act and should not be encouraged . Not only that but uncontrolled or excessive immigration is nit in the interests of the UK public . If you are not willing to be personally affected by the negative effects of excessive immigration then you support the Tory line of limiting it. Asylum seekers are using whatever method they can to flee for their lives, as would you. Or are you saying that if your life was threatened and your only route to escape was to pay traffickers to get you across the channel, you would consider it inappropriate? You forgot to answer, "If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law"? Doesn’t excuse it. Paying criminal people traffickers is illegal. It should treated as such . Criminals should not be welcomed in this country . Anyone who would not volunteer to be negatively affected by uncontrolled immigration is effectively agreeing with the Tory line. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2023 17:30:13 GMT
Asylum seekers are using whatever method they can to flee for their lives, as would you. Or are you saying that if your life was threatened and your only route to escape was to pay traffickers to get you across the channel, you would consider it inappropriate? You forgot to answer, "If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law"? Doesn’t excuse it. Paying criminal people traffickers is illegal. It should treated as such . Criminals should not be welcomed in this country . Anyone who would not volunteer to be negatively affected by uncontrolled immigration is effectively agreeing with the Tory line. Absolutely right, some people seem to be incapable of understanding that it is in fact against the law to pay a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B'. For some inexplicable reason every criminal who lands on an English beach is treated as a poor traumatised refugee and whisked away to a comfortable hotel which is costing tax payers £7 million a day. We are the biggest fuckin mugs in the world. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 17:39:50 GMT
I think you will find it’s not . Using criminal gangs to illegally enter the UK is a criminal act and should not be encouraged . Not only that but uncontrolled or excessive immigration is nit in the interests of the UK public . If you are not willing to be personally affected by the negative effects of excessive immigration then you support the Tory line of limiting it. Asylum seekers are using whatever method they can to flee for their lives, as would you. France isn't that dangerous - OK I know its pretty shit at the moment but over the next few weeks millions of people will be going there for their Holidays. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 6:08:45 GMT
Asylum seekers are using whatever method they can to flee for their lives, as would you. Or are you saying that if your life was threatened and your only route to escape was to pay traffickers to get you across the channel, you would consider it inappropriate? You forgot to answer, "If your life was in danger and the only way to avoid harm was to break into someone's house to seek sanctuary, would you not 'break the law"? Doesn’t excuse it. Paying criminal people traffickers is illegal. It should treated as such . Criminals should not be welcomed in this country . Anyone who would not volunteer to be negatively affected by uncontrolled immigration is effectively agreeing with the Tory line. Criminals are not welcome in this country. You still will not answer the question though, is that because it would 'ruin' your point? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 6:10:31 GMT
Doesn’t excuse it. Paying criminal people traffickers is illegal. It should treated as such . Criminals should not be welcomed in this country . Anyone who would not volunteer to be negatively affected by uncontrolled immigration is effectively agreeing with the Tory line. Absolutely right, some people seem to be incapable of understanding that it is in fact against the law to pay a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B'. For some inexplicable reason every criminal who lands on an English beach is treated as a poor traumatised refugee and whisked away to a comfortable hotel which is costing tax payers £7 million a day. We are the biggest fuckin mugs in the world. Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 6:29:23 GMT
If asylum seekers coming across on boats from France were processed swiftly and those that pass the 'process' were allowed to work this country would be better off for it.
If asylum seekers coming across from France were processed swiftly and those that legally fail the process they could be returned to their country of origin swiftly.
The country would not have to pay £6+m a day to keep them in hotels and we would all be better off.
The Tories do not want that to happen though.
They even painted over the cartoons on the walls of a purpose build lone children's asylum centre to show their absolute distain of foreigners coming to our shores.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 8:43:18 GMT
Doesn’t excuse it. Paying criminal people traffickers is illegal. It should treated as such . Criminals should not be welcomed in this country . Anyone who would not volunteer to be negatively affected by uncontrolled immigration is effectively agreeing with the Tory line. Criminals are not welcome in this country. You still will not answer the question though, is that because it would 'ruin' your point? It was a stupid question. You were trying to use a lame straw man to make a non point . Now you making a second straw man because I wouldn’t respond to the first . We can’t allow everyone to do anything because we may want to do that if we were desperate enough . You want criminals to enter the country , I don’t . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people . You ignore this every time it’s pointed out and attempt to use a strawman fallacy because you have no point to ruin . |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 8:44:19 GMT
Absolutely right, some people seem to be incapable of understanding that it is in fact against the law to pay a people trafficker to get you from safe country 'A' to safe country 'B'. For some inexplicable reason every criminal who lands on an English beach is treated as a poor traumatised refugee and whisked away to a comfortable hotel which is costing tax payers £7 million a day. We are the biggest fuckin mugs in the world. Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? This is an utterly stupid non point . Also the illegal migrants are coming from France . Their lives are not in danger . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 9:14:13 GMT
Criminals are not welcome in this country. You still will not answer the question though, is that because it would 'ruin' your point? It was a stupid question. You were trying to use a lame straw man to make a non point . Now you making a second straw man because I wouldn’t respond to the first . We can’t allow everyone to do anything because we may want to do that if we were desperate enough . You want criminals to enter the country , I don’t . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people . You ignore this every time it’s pointed out and attempt to use a strawman fallacy because you have no point to ruin . How do you know the people coming across the channel in small boats are criminals? No, I was asking you a questions, my answer would be "yes I would pay a people smuggler to cross the channel if my life was in danger" so would you. My thread is not about immigrants it is about the Tory use of the phrase 'Will of the people' without asking the people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 9:14:38 GMT
Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life? This is an utterly stupid non point . Also the illegal migrants are coming from France . Their lives are not in danger . Are they French citizens? |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 9:19:00 GMT
It was a stupid question. You were trying to use a lame straw man to make a non point . Now you making a second straw man because I wouldn’t respond to the first . We can’t allow everyone to do anything because we may want to do that if we were desperate enough . You want criminals to enter the country , I don’t . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people . You ignore this every time it’s pointed out and attempt to use a strawman fallacy because you have no point to ruin . How do you know the people coming across the channel in small boats are criminals? No, I was asking you a questions, my answer would be "yes I would pay a people smuggler to cross the channel if my life was in danger" so would you. My thread is not about immigrants it is about the Tory use of the phrase 'Will of the people' without asking the people. You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers . That would make you a criminal . They are not desperate, they are in France . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They don’t need to ask. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 9:23:00 GMT
This is an utterly stupid non point . Also the illegal migrants are coming from France . Their lives are not in danger . Are they French citizens? YOU”Are you also saying you would not pay people traffickers to flee for your life?Me “Also the illegal migrants are coming from France . Their lives are not in danger .” YOU “Are they French citizens?“ Not much point in bothering with you, is there ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 11:02:02 GMT
How do you know the people coming across the channel in small boats are criminals? No, I was asking you a questions, my answer would be "yes I would pay a people smuggler to cross the channel if my life was in danger" so would you. My thread is not about immigrants it is about the Tory use of the phrase 'Will of the people' without asking the people. You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers . That would make you a criminal . They are not desperate, they are in France . The will of the people is to not be affected adversely by uncontrolled immigration. Thus the government is following the will of the people. They don’t need to ask. You have been told this many times …they are paying criminal gangs of people traffickers. Which you would do. You have been told this many times, they have the right to claim asylum in any country they wish travelling through 'safe' countries on their way. You do not know what the 'will of the people is', there has been no referendum held. Is your contention that people fleeing for their lives or starvation should stay in their own country and not attempt to flee? |
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