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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 17:23:26 GMT
Freedom Of Movement came in stages - every stage was agreed to and signed off by a Tory Prime Minister Yes - but at those times not much FoM was actually going on. It wasn't until Blair threw open the doors to the new accession states whilst other countries in the EU kept theirs closed that mass immigration really took off in the UK. Blair did nothing, it was John Major who "threw open the doors", and when the EU10 all joined the European Union, the citizens of those nations had the legal right, by international treaty, to come and live and work here. The ONLY thing that any EU state could have done, would have been to trigger the "seven year transition agreement", which is part of the treaty, and would have delayed the arrival of Poles, Czechs and others by up to 7 years. Almost all of the European migrants came here and worked Many filled vaccancies in industries which had been struggling for years to find workers They contributed to the UK economy, allowing many businesses to expand and grow The vast majority were young people, thereby relatively fit and healthy, putting very little burdon on our NHS, but contributed through taxation and NI The vast majority went into private rented accommodation, putting no strain upon local authority, housing association or council accommodation. Many have now left the UK, and very few are now coming here, adding to the already critical shortage of workers in our NHS, Care sectors, and in other areas such as agriculture, food, food production and lesiure and hospitality trades. This is all contributing to Inflation - Low Growth - our Competetiveness and poor investment |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2023 17:30:48 GMT
Yes - but at those times not much FoM was actually going on. It wasn't until Blair threw open the doors to the new accession states whilst other countries in the EU kept theirs closed that mass immigration really took off in the UK. Blair did nothing, it was John Major who "threw open the doors", and when the EU10 all joined the European Union, the citizens of those nations had the legal right, by international treaty, to come and live and work here. The ONLY thing that any EU state could have done, would have been to trigger the "seven year transition agreement", which is part of the treaty, and would have delayed the arrival of Poles, Czechs and others by up to 7 years. You can keep trying to rewrite history all you like but the facts is the facts. Until Blair bungled by not restricting FoM there was very little migration into the UK. FFS even Blair was suprised at the amount who came. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate.
In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain,
Sid - even the members of Blairs government have admitted it was a mistake so you trying to whitewash the decision is pretty daft. if the government had known just how large this wave of migration would be, it would have undoubtedly made a different decision, as Jack Straw, the former home secretary, admitted in 2013.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 8, 2023 17:41:00 GMT
He's not doing too bad for a war criminal, who opened the flood gates to migrants, who fucked up the NHS, and then rewarded with a knighthood, when those who did far less than him got assassinated, Bin Laden (doubtful if he blew up twin towers) Saddam Hussein executed even though no WMD (Weapons of mass destruction) were ever found, the basis for the illegal war in Iraq, Gaddafi who had plenty of dirt on the Bush family that would have seen them destroyed, so he had to go.
Our War monger, war criminal Blair, why aren't the wokey snowflake lefties making him answerable for his war crimes, the same wokey snowflakes who want repartitions for 'slavery', they are typical of their double standard hypocrisy.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2023 17:48:18 GMT
Blair did nothing, it was John Major who "threw open the doors", and when the EU10 all joined the European Union, the citizens of those nations had the legal right, by international treaty, to come and live and work here. The ONLY thing that any EU state could have done, would have been to trigger the "seven year transition agreement", which is part of the treaty, and would have delayed the arrival of Poles, Czechs and others by up to 7 years. You can keep trying to rewrite history all you like but the facts is the facts. Until Blair bungled by not restricting FoM there was very little migration into the UK. FFS even Blair was suprised at the amount who came. While the number of migrants from Central and Eastern Europe into the UK was predicted to be in the region of 5,000 to 13,000 on the assumption that other member states would also open their labour markets, most didn’t. And the flows turned out to be over 20 times the upper end of this estimate.
In 2004 and 2005, 129,000 migrants from the A8 countries entered Britain,
Sid - even the members of Blairs government have admitted it was a mistake so you trying to whitewash the decision is pretty daft. if the government had known just how large this wave of migration would be, it would have undoubtedly made a different decision, as Jack Straw, the former home secretary, admitted in 2013.
The huge political cost of Blair’s decision to allow Eastern European migrants unfettered access to BritainI'm a Blairite, but I know this is true. We failed to predict the attraction of a country with a language most people used. And that other EU members might actually use their language to block FoM. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 18:37:51 GMT
 SIGNATURES OF DOUGLAS HURD & FRANCIS MAUDE ON THE MAASTRICHT TREATY On behalf of the government of the United Kingdom. Did the influx of the EU10 members cause unemployment - No Did the influx of new EU migrants cause a problem in the NHS - No Did the EU10 migrants rush to the UK and all claimed benefits - No Did the EU10 migrants cause a housing problem - No Did the new migrants put a strain on public services ? According to evidence, there was a strain in a handfull of towns in the East of England and East Midlands, namely Boston, March and Peterborough, where EU migrants went to in large numbers, due to the availability of work. Elsewhere there were no problems. Tony Blair DID NOT agree to, or sign up to Freedom Of Movement, I repeat for the 3rd time, this was done by John Major. The Maastricht Treaty is an international treaty, and signature nations ARE BOUND BY THE TREATY, meaning that Tony Blair COULD NOT stop EU migrants from coming here. Its all very well saying that they came here because Tony Blair did not stop them, but unless he tore up the treaty, he was obliged under law, to let EU migrant workers come here. I do not quite understand what some posters are attempting to say ?, that perhaps Blair should have torn up the treaty that Majors government agreed to. ?
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Post by Toreador on Jul 8, 2023 18:44:46 GMT
Yes - but at those times not much FoM was actually going on. It wasn't until Blair threw open the doors to the new accession states whilst other countries in the EU kept theirs closed that mass immigration really took off in the UK. Blair did nothing, it was John Major who "threw open the doors", and when the EU10 all joined the European Union, the citizens of those nations had the legal right, by international treaty, to come and live and work here. The ONLY thing that any EU state could have done, would have been to trigger the "seven year transition agreement", which is part of the treaty, and would have delayed the arrival of Poles, Czechs and others by up to 7 years.Almost all of the European migrants came here and worked Many filled vaccancies in industries which had been struggling for years to find workers They contributed to the UK economy, allowing many businesses to expand and grow The vast majority were young people, thereby relatively fit and healthy, putting very little burdon on our NHS, but contributed through taxation and NI The vast majority went into private rented accommodation, putting no strain upon local authority, housing association or council accommodation. Many have now left the UK, and very few are now coming here, adding to the already critical shortage of workers in our NHS, Care sectors, and in other areas such as agriculture, food, food production and lesiure and hospitality trades. This is all contributing to Inflation - Low Growth - our Competetiveness and poor investment Don't be daft, Sid, they were coming over here via mainland EU well before 2004, coachloads of them and we and the EU were letting them in. However, never miss the chance to dish up the propaganda. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 18:55:10 GMT
We desparately need more EU workers admits leading Tory Brexiter
( 8th July 2023 )
George Eustice, the former Agricultural, Food & Rural Affairs Minister under Boris Johnson has made the extraordinary admission of failure of Brexit and immigration policy, and will tomorrow call for all young Europeans to be allowed work visas and to come to the UK.
The former Tory Minister will say tomorrow that the acute shortage of labour is fuelling inflation, and that the governments Skills Based Immigration Policy is failing on every level. The policy does not correspond to the needs of the country (George Eustice).
Eustice, who comes from a farming family and agricultural background made the startling admission to The Observer, he also suggested that Rishi Sunak should enter into negotiations with the EU immediately, and come up with a plan which should be a reciprocal Youth Mobility Scheme.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 8, 2023 18:56:16 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing. They were in power from 1997 -2007 ruining the country with excessive borrowing from 2001 onwards.
For the first term Brown boasted of "prudence" and copied Kenneth Clarke's budgetary limits, but from 2001 onwards he started borrowing and spending heavily.
Not only that, he destroyed savings accounts taxed pensions schemes and caused our modern cost of living crisis by leaving housing as the one method left of investing large sums of money without the taxman gobbling everything up.
So the housing market boomed, and has still not been fixed.
As more and more money goes from people's pockets on simply covering the cost of having a roof over their heads and paying council tax, and utility bills, there's less money for food and for recreation.
Gordon Brown did this.
It's not wise to lavish praise on Labour.
They're a seriously flawed party with no idea how to manage money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 20:09:28 GMT
He may be a Tory, but at least his eyes and ears function well enough in cooperation with his brain, because when it comes to Starmer he can see the obvious too. Most of us can. Though clearly not you. Who seems to believe everyone who disagrees with you is biased but you are not, even though your pro-Starmer bias which is so blatantly obvious makes you incapable of seeing the truth. Ha ha, Pacifico is certainly biased, but you will support anyone who attacks Starmer, and all because the hard-left policies of Old Labour dumped them on the opposition benches again. Proving the need for fresh thinking about what the electorate actually want from an opposition party. None of which nonsense detracts from the fact that Starmer lied to get elected, so trying to portray him as Mr Honesty is surely laughable. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2023 21:36:59 GMT
Its all very well saying that they came here because Tony Blair did not stop them, but unless he tore up the treaty, he was obliged under law, to let EU migrant workers come here. That is absolute horseshit - other EU member states blocked them coming so the idea that the UK could not do exactly the same can only be the deranged imaginings of someone who cannot imagine that Saint Tony Blair could do anything wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 23:07:35 GMT
Its all very well saying that they came here because Tony Blair did not stop them, but unless he tore up the treaty, he was obliged under law, to let EU migrant workers come here. That is absolute horseshit - other EU member states blocked them coming so the idea that the UK could not do exactly the same can only be the deranged imaginings of someone who cannot imagine that Saint Tony Blair could do anything wrong. So my first question would be - why would Tony Blair want to stop them ?, bearing in mind that under the terms of the treaty, he could only delay their arrival. Other EU countries did not stop these migrants from coming because they could not do that, they implemented the transitional period. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 23:28:10 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing. They were in power from 1997 -2007 ruining the country with excessive borrowing from 2001 onwards.
For the first term Brown boasted of "prudence" and copied Kenneth Clarke's budgetary limits, but from 2001 onwards he started borrowing and spending heavily.
Not only that, he destroyed savings accounts taxed pensions schemes and caused our modern cost of living crisis by leaving housing as the one method left of investing large sums of money without the taxman gobbling everything up.
So the housing market boomed, and has still not been fixed.
As more and more money goes from people's pockets on simply covering the cost of having a roof over their heads and paying council tax, and utility bills, there's less money for food and for recreation.
Gordon Brown did this.
It's not wise to lavish praise on Labour.
They're a seriously flawed party with no idea how to manage money.
Not true The year you state here ( 2001 ) was a year when the budget of the UK was actually in surplus, and the budget of the UK has been in surplus more years under Labour than it has under the Conservatives. In 2006 the budget deficit was about £32 Billion, but it went up significantly AFTER the financial crisis in 2007 In 1993 under the Conservatives the budget deficit was over £50 Billion Neither Tony Blair or Gordon Brown borrowed excesively to fund any projects, it was only the financial crisis and recession that followed which caused borrowing to increase as a necessity. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2023 0:07:59 GMT
£32 billion is a significant deficit especially as UK manufacturing was in decline at the time driven by EU competition and the then overvalued pound.
Peugeot Ryton closed down in 2006. Rover in 2005. All sorts of manufacturers were in difficulty. Labour were spending like there was no tomorrow.
Abysmal party.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2023 6:39:55 GMT
That is absolute horseshit - other EU member states blocked them coming so the idea that the UK could not do exactly the same can only be the deranged imaginings of someone who cannot imagine that Saint Tony Blair could do anything wrong. So my first question would be - why would Tony Blair want to stop them ?, bearing in mind that under the terms of the treaty, he could only delay their arrival. Other EU countries did not stop these migrants from coming because they could not do that, they implemented the transitional period.
which the Blair government has already admitted that it was a mistake not to do the same - instead of the vast numbers of migrants being shared around the EU (as they should have been) they all pitched up in the UK Mass immigration was yet another disaster from the Blair administration. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2023 6:42:20 GMT
They were in power from 1997 -2007 ruining the country with excessive borrowing from 2001 onwards.
For the first term Brown boasted of "prudence" and copied Kenneth Clarke's budgetary limits, but from 2001 onwards he started borrowing and spending heavily.
Not only that, he destroyed savings accounts taxed pensions schemes and caused our modern cost of living crisis by leaving housing as the one method left of investing large sums of money without the taxman gobbling everything up.
So the housing market boomed, and has still not been fixed.
As more and more money goes from people's pockets on simply covering the cost of having a roof over their heads and paying council tax, and utility bills, there's less money for food and for recreation.
Gordon Brown did this.
It's not wise to lavish praise on Labour.
They're a seriously flawed party with no idea how to manage money.
Not true The year you state here ( 2001 ) was a year when the budget of the UK was actually in surplus, and the budget of the UK has been in surplus more years under Labour than it has under the Conservatives. In 2006 the budget deficit was about £32 Billion, but it went up significantly AFTER the financial crisis in 2007 In 1993 under the Conservatives the budget deficit was over £50 Billion Neither Tony Blair or Gordon Brown borrowed excesively to fund any projects, it was only the financial crisis and recession that followed which caused borrowing to increase as a necessity. The only time that Labour had a budget in surplus was when they were following Tory spending plans - once they scrapped that and opened the taps on public spending borrowing and debt soared.. |
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