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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2023 15:59:34 GMT
But when the generation of oldies on here bought our homes they were worth 3 to 4 times our annual income. Now a new home will cost 9 to 11 times your annual income. That suggests the shortage is far worse than it was. Asylum seekers are a distraction, not the cause. The cause is LEGAL immigration, the invitation for half a million people to move here every year without building the homes to house them. Artificially increasing the price of land much of which is owned by the rich. I disagree on us running out of land, only 12% of available land is built on. We could decide the be more dependent of importing food and release some of the 20 million acres of arable land for building. At an average of 18 dwellings to an acre 222,000 acres would do it for 4 million homes. Leaving 19,778,000 acres of arable. We could easily do it, we just don't want to. I am trying to find some Logic in your post , I will try but I think it may take me sometime Join the club mate. Its like a frigging game of cluedo. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 16:02:39 GMT
Lying is so second nature to you you don't even notice you're doing it, certainly you're not very good at it. I am renowned for my honesty in these parts so I won't have a remnant preach to me over honesty. If you don't like to hear the truth you can always block me which you have made out you were going to do but hey presto still popped up with every post I made. Oh dear are we upset? Typical bully likes giving it out but can't take it back. Mr sweary loves making personal insults to others but has very thin skin himself. Yep. I do mostly ignore you, occasionally when you quote me I reply to so others can see your lies. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 16:04:07 GMT
I am trying to find some Logic in your post , I will try but I think it may take me sometime Join the club mate. Its like a frigging game of cluedo. Ahh dear is Cluedo to difficult for you. Never mind you just carry on making inane insults. Play to your strengths. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2023 16:04:42 GMT
I am renowned for my honesty in these parts so I won't have a remnant preach to me over honesty. If you don't like to hear the truth you can always block me which you have made out you were going to do but hey presto still popped up with every post I made. Oh dear are we upset? Typical bully likes giving it out but can't take it back. Mr sweary loves making personal insults to others but has very thin skin himself. Yep. I do mostly ignore you, occasionally when you quote me I reply to so others can see your lies. What frigging lies? |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 16:08:40 GMT
Oh dear are we upset? Typical bully likes giving it out but can't take it back. Mr sweary loves making personal insults to others but has very thin skin himself. Yep. I do mostly ignore you, occasionally when you quote me I reply to so others can see your lies. What frigging lies? Enough now, I'll play with you later. Go and call someone else names for a bit. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2023 16:11:27 GMT
Enough now, I'll play with you later. Go and call someone else names for a bit. Where have I called you names on this thread? You have got owned and you can't handle iEDIt toodle pip then... |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 21, 2023 16:43:13 GMT
View AttachmentTheres nothing better to back up any argument than EVIDENCE If anyone cares to look at the chart, you can very clearly see that council house building fell off the edge of a cliff as soon as Margaret Thatchers government came to power. No government since has a worse record than Margaret Thatcher
Apart from the Blair/Brown era... They of course introduced the double whammy - they slashed housebuilding and unleashed mass immigration.. which (unsurprisingly) led to a house prices shooting off into the stratosphere. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 21, 2023 16:45:11 GMT
We have had a shortage of good affordable housing since WW2 when the population was much smaller that it is today, Council Tenants have had the right to buy their Council property long before that the problem being nobody told them that, when Thatcher came to power she made them aware and many did buy their Council Property. We have never had a time when enough affordable housing was available, the Tories have built more Social Houses than Labour have , Councils transferred their responsibility for their Housing as they could not afford to make repairs , and struggled to collect rents to Housing Associations, Labour when in power also sole them off Today as the population is over 65 million and expected to reach 70 million in the next few years, we will be even more short of affordable Housing , freedom of movement , illegal migrants, and alleged Asylum seekers who arrive in their hundreds every week means we cannot house them as well as thousands of the indigenous people many of whom have been on a waiting list for years. Due to demand outstripping demand supply for Social Accommodation, private rental the rents are high very high , the price of buying a home has gone through the roof, we cannot build fast enough to supply demand , we are also running out of land where we can build, out infrastructure is close to collapsing, the SE and South is in danger of running out of water, let alone houses The average rent for a flat in London is £2,000 plus bills . But when the generation of oldies on here bought our homes they were worth 3 to 4 times our annual income. Now a new home will cost 9 to 11 times your annual income. That suggests the shortage is far worse than it was. Asylum seekers are a distraction, not the cause. The cause is LEGAL immigration, the invitation for half a million people to move here every year without building the homes to house them. Artificially increasing the price of land much of which is owned by the rich. I disagree on us running out of land, only 12% of available land is built on. We could decide the be more dependent of importing food and release some of the 20 million acres of arable land for building. At an average of 18 dwellings to an acre 222,000 acres would do it for 4 million homes. Leaving 19,778,000 acres of arable. We could easily do it, we just don't want to. I wonder if England being about the most densely populated major country in Europe might have something to do with the publics resistance to concreting over everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 16:45:46 GMT
The very first thing the Labour government did upon coming to office in May 1997 was to make The Bank Of England independent of the Treasury. And what a mistake that was. Also, abolishing the TESSA savings account, selling off our gold at rock bottom prices, deflating other savings and investment options and basically leaving bricks and mortar as the only choice for investments, was INSANE. Immigrants require housing, same as everyone else. Seasonal workers, coming here for short term work, did not buy, but rented. This pushed up rental prices. The Conservatives agreed that making the Bank Of England independent was the right thing to do, and at no time have they suggested that our central bank should be brought back under the control of the treasury. There has been no strategic planning, if your population grows, you build more houses, strange that theres no housing crisis in Germany or France. If your population grows naturally by fertility rate + immigration, then you can plan, as most countries do. How do you think nations with much larger immigration rates manage or cope, like Canada for example. ? council house building almost came to a sudden halt when Thatcher came to office ... why ? Yes it is true that Blair and Brown did little to remedy the problem But it is today a Conservative government which is overseeing a housing crisis, they have been in charge since 2010, and there is not enough social housing, and no where near enough either been built or planned. Their proposal for solving the crisis is always low cost houses for sale, and it is not working. We are not debating the history of social housing, we are debating todays housing crisis |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 21, 2023 16:46:58 GMT
But when the generation of oldies on here bought our homes they were worth 3 to 4 times our annual income. Now a new home will cost 9 to 11 times your annual income. That suggests the shortage is far worse than it was. Asylum seekers are a distraction, not the cause. The cause is LEGAL immigration, the invitation for half a million people to move here every year without building the homes to house them. Artificially increasing the price of land much of which is owned by the rich. I disagree on us running out of land, only 12% of available land is built on. We could decide the be more dependent of importing food and release some of the 20 million acres of arable land for building. At an average of 18 dwellings to an acre 222,000 acres would do it for 4 million homes. Leaving 19,778,000 acres of arable. We could easily do it, we just don't want to. I wonder if England being about the most densely populated major country in Europe might have something to do with the publics resistance to concreting over everything. Starmer and Labour wont rest until we're all like sardines. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 21, 2023 16:57:58 GMT
And what a mistake that was. Also, abolishing the TESSA savings account, selling off our gold at rock bottom prices, deflating other savings and investment options and basically leaving bricks and mortar as the only choice for investments, was INSANE. Immigrants require housing, same as everyone else. Seasonal workers, coming here for short term work, did not buy, but rented. This pushed up rental prices. The Conservatives agreed that making the Bank Of England independent was the right thing to do, and at no time have they suggested that our central bank should be brought back under the control of the treasury. There has been no strategic planning, if your population grows, you build more houses, strange that theres no housing crisis in Germany or France. If your population grows naturally by fertility rate + immigration, then you can plan, as most countries do. How do you think nations with much larger immigration rates manage or cope, like Canada for example. ? council house building almost came to a sudden halt when Thatcher came to office ... why ? Yes it is true that Blair and Brown did little to remedy the problem But it is today a Conservative government which is overseeing a housing crisis, they have been in charge since 2010, and there is not enough social housing, and no where near enough either been built or planned. Their proposal for solving the crisis is always low cost houses for sale, and it is not working. We are not debating the history of social housing, we are debating todays housing crisis France has more room than we have, 643,80 thousand square Kilometres., Germany 357,59 thousand square Kilometres the UK just under 133, 000 thousand Kilometres, you cannot get a quart into a pint pot, yes build more thousands thousands of them, then build the roads to get to them , public transport hubs, schools, hospitals etc etc, then build places for them to work in |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 17:00:45 GMT
But when the generation of oldies on here bought our homes they were worth 3 to 4 times our annual income. Now a new home will cost 9 to 11 times your annual income. That suggests the shortage is far worse than it was. Asylum seekers are a distraction, not the cause. The cause is LEGAL immigration, the invitation for half a million people to move here every year without building the homes to house them. Artificially increasing the price of land much of which is owned by the rich. I disagree on us running out of land, only 12% of available land is built on. We could decide the be more dependent of importing food and release some of the 20 million acres of arable land for building. At an average of 18 dwellings to an acre 222,000 acres would do it for 4 million homes. Leaving 19,778,000 acres of arable. We could easily do it, we just don't want to. I wonder if England being about the most densely populated major country in Europe might have something to do with the publics resistance to concreting over everything. Its because we made ourselves the most crowded country in Europe that we need the housing. But feel free to exaggerate. I'll stick to facts. 4 million new houses (not even just flats) takes 1% of our arable land. So probably don't need to concrete over all of it. Unless they all want very big drives. 😂 🤣 |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 21, 2023 17:02:14 GMT
I wonder if England being about the most densely populated major country in Europe might have something to do with the publics resistance to concreting over everything. Starmer and Labour wont rest until we're all like sardines. Whereas the Boris and the Tories really clamped down immigration. Dear oh dear its like being fed lines. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 21, 2023 17:03:45 GMT
Starmer and Labour wont rest until we're all like sardines. Whereas the Boris and the Tories really clamped down immigration. Dear oh dear its like being fed lines. You are about to become owned again. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 21, 2023 17:06:12 GMT
The very first thing the Labour government did upon coming to office in May 1997 was to make The Bank Of England independent of the Treasury. And what a mistake that was. Also, abolishing the TESSA savings account, selling off our gold at rock bottom prices, deflating other savings and investment options and basically leaving bricks and mortar as the only choice for investments, was INSANE. Immigrants require housing, same as everyone else. Seasonal workers, coming here for short term work, did not buy, but rented. This pushed up rental prices. Giving the BofE control of inflation ended the 'boom and bust' mistakes made by so many previous governments, including the Tory 15% interest rates in the early 1990s housing bust. I had not thought it likely that you would post so much deluded propaganda rubbish. But that's life. |
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