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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 16, 2023 13:13:10 GMT
Boris Johnson was elected with a big majority by the British people. He has been ousted by a nasty cabal of the media (with the BBC playing a leading role), the remoaners (including most of the members of the Commons and the Lords) , the Establishment and the civil service. It's basically a "remain conspiracy" that have removed first Boris, then Truss and installed Sunak. Sunak has no mandate whatsoever and has been installed by Remainer Tory MPs. The 1922 committee (basically the twat Graham Brady) set the benchmark for votes so high that it was obvious Sunak would win. The idea used to be that the Tory members had a say in this. No more.
And the remainer Tories are triumphant. They've ousted the only PM who was willing to try to deliver Brexit. Boris is the ONLY politician who did NOT lie about wanting to leave the EU. He did his best to deliver it - against obstacles like the Surrender Act (Benn Act) which removed any negotiating ability he had because it made it impossible to leave without agreeing terms with the EU. (Why do we hear so little about how much Boris was handicapped by the rest of the MP - and the Speaker?). But he got us out of the hated EU which has destroyed most of our industry in the UK.
He then did a pretty good job of steering through the pandemic - despite being handicapped by SAGE who predicted disaster unless he "locked down". And he probably gave in too much to SAGE but he was also handicapped by Labour who always wanted lock down to last longer and be more severe.
And he has led the support for Ukraine. I don't agree with his decision to do this but no one can argue with how motivational Boris has been.
And, in the most ridiculous passage of politics I've ever known, Boris has been ousted - mainly by a marathon campaign by the BBC to lead the news with attacks on Boris about Partygate. WHen we look back on why Boris got ousted no one will believe that a PM can be booted out for such a fucking trivial reason. And all because he wanted to leave the EU - like most of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 13:39:20 GMT
Unfortunately, though, Boris gave them a way to get rid of him. He did lie to the house. He knowingly appointed pervert Pincher and the pervert carried on doing what perverts do. He drew the Queen into a political suspension of Parliament which was rescinded when ruled illegal. He supported Owen Paterson, who should have been fired. He broke the laws, rules and regulations which he was instrumental in making.
Having said that, as you say the mechanism to relieve him of duty was wound up in the "B" word and were sinister and quite anti-democratic. He might have garnered more support if he had remained a Conservative, but his wife has very left leaning views and he signed up for harsher ecological measures.
Boris then replaced by Truss.
The deposal of Liz Truss seemed to take place in record time. What, with the mourning/funeral for QE2, she really did not have more than a month before she was awfully removed by the baying lefties within the Tory "broad church".
They won't be forgiven for that. If they had stuck with Truss, they may have had a chance for the next election, but Sunak the globalist financer will lose so badly, and deserves to. He's a backstabber, regarding Boris. A front stabber regarding Liz truss, after he boycotted the Tory conference when she was leader. Everyone saw that. It's what is good for Rishi, not the party, and certainly not the country. Us plebs are paying through the nose.
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Post by bancroft on Jun 16, 2023 14:50:51 GMT
I actually think if Sunak can keep the economy stable get inflation down a bit he stands a chance. Think he will have to fight dirty against Labour by attacking them. Not sure he has the nous to do that.
Also if they keep up the war on woke led by Suella Braverman that will help.
It is going to be close and would not be surprised if Biden tries to help Labour.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 15:51:27 GMT
Boris Johnson was elected with a big majority by the British people. He has been ousted by a nasty cabal of the media (with the BBC playing a leading role), the remoaners (including most of the members of the Commons and the Lords) , the Establishment and the civil service. It's basically a "remain conspiracy" that have removed first Boris, then Truss and installed Sunak. Sunak has no mandate whatsoever and has been installed by Remainer Tory MPs. The 1922 committee (basically the twat Graham Brady) set the benchmark for votes so high that it was obvious Sunak would win. The idea used to be that the Tory members had a say in this. No more. And the remainer Tories are triumphant. They've ousted the only PM who was willing to try to deliver Brexit. Boris is the ONLY politician who did NOT lie about wanting to leave the EU. He did his best to deliver it - against obstacles like the Surrender Act (Benn Act) which removed any negotiating ability he had because it made it impossible to leave without agreeing terms with the EU. (Why do we hear so little about how much Boris was handicapped by the rest of the MP - and the Speaker?). But he got us out of the hated EU which has destroyed most of our industry in the UK. He then did a pretty good job of steering through the pandemic - despite being handicapped by SAGE who predicted disaster unless he "locked down". And he probably gave in too much to SAGE but he was also handicapped by Labour who always wanted lock down to last longer and be more severe. And he has led the support for Ukraine. I don't agree with his decision to do this but no one can argue with how motivational Boris has been. And, in the most ridiculous passage of politics I've ever known, Boris has been ousted - mainly by a marathon campaign by the BBC to lead the news with attacks on Boris about Partygate. WHen we look back on why Boris got ousted no one will believe that a PM can be booted out for such a fucking trivial reason. And all because he wanted to leave the EU - like most of the country. What democracy? Under the current system, a minority rules over the majority. The Tories got in in 2019 with only 43% of the vote. The 43% ruled over the majority 57%. There is no majority government under the UK constitution. In other European countries, a party with only 43% of the vote would have had to go into coalition with another party to bring it above 50% of the vote. The minority rule the majority in the UK. Add the fact that more than half of Parliament is unelected, the first past the post system and the fact that laws are made by unelected judges. You should change your thread title to reflect the fact that there has never been a democratic system in the UK. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 16, 2023 16:03:46 GMT
There is no democracy anywhere, powerful elites cover things up for greed, preservation or to protect national interest.
It happens everywhere to some degree and most papers know not to ask questions though the odd minor one is left alone as no-one takes it seriously.
We got out of the EU which was a major democratic step even if a painful one.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:06:35 GMT
There is no democracy anywhere, powerful elites cover things up for greed, preservation or to protect national interest. It happens everywhere to some degree and most papers know not to ask questions though the odd minor one is left alone as no-one takes it seriously. Shouldn't the above be in the Conspiracy Theory section? Or do you have links to powerful elites who have got away with covering things up without sanction? |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 16, 2023 16:07:34 GMT
Boris Johnson was elected with a big majority by the British people. He has been ousted by a nasty cabal of the media (with the BBC playing a leading role), the remoaners (including most of the members of the Commons and the Lords) , the Establishment and the civil service. It's basically a "remain conspiracy" that have removed first Boris, then Truss and installed Sunak. Sunak has no mandate whatsoever and has been installed by Remainer Tory MPs. The 1922 committee (basically the twat Graham Brady) set the benchmark for votes so high that it was obvious Sunak would win. The idea used to be that the Tory members had a say in this. No more. And the remainer Tories are triumphant. They've ousted the only PM who was willing to try to deliver Brexit. Boris is the ONLY politician who did NOT lie about wanting to leave the EU. He did his best to deliver it - against obstacles like the Surrender Act (Benn Act) which removed any negotiating ability he had because it made it impossible to leave without agreeing terms with the EU. (Why do we hear so little about how much Boris was handicapped by the rest of the MP - and the Speaker?). But he got us out of the hated EU which has destroyed most of our industry in the UK. He then did a pretty good job of steering through the pandemic - despite being handicapped by SAGE who predicted disaster unless he "locked down". And he probably gave in too much to SAGE but he was also handicapped by Labour who always wanted lock down to last longer and be more severe. And he has led the support for Ukraine. I don't agree with his decision to do this but no one can argue with how motivational Boris has been. And, in the most ridiculous passage of politics I've ever known, Boris has been ousted - mainly by a marathon campaign by the BBC to lead the news with attacks on Boris about Partygate. WHen we look back on why Boris got ousted no one will believe that a PM can be booted out for such a fucking trivial reason. And all because he wanted to leave the EU - like most of the country. What democracy? Under the current system, a minority rules over the majority. The Tories got in in 2019 with only 43% of the vote. The 43% ruled over the majority 57%. There is no majority government under the UK constitution. In other European countries, a party with only 43% of the vote would have had to go into coalition with another party to bring it above 50% of the vote. The minority rule the majority in the UK. Add the fact that more than half of Parliament is unelected, the first past the post system and the fact that laws are made by unelected judges. You should change your thread title to reflect the fact that there has never been a democratic system in the UK. The Tories were a majority, the other majority you refer to were just those who did not vote Tory and represented a range of disparate parties and views. The idea is to form strong government and get things done. Does not always work but then neither do coalitions. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:08:37 GMT
There is no democracy anywhere, powerful elites cover things up for greed, preservation or to protect national interest. It happens everywhere to some degree and most papers know not to ask questions though the odd minor one is left alone as no-one takes it seriously. We got out of the EU which was a major democratic step even if a painful one. Was it democratic, or was it a refusal to be democratic? Cameron made requests for changes, and was outvoted in a democratic vote taken by the leaders of the member states of the EU. He lost that democratic vote. So, in one sense, it was a refusal to be democratic. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:09:46 GMT
What democracy? Under the current system, a minority rules over the majority. The Tories got in in 2019 with only 43% of the vote. The 43% ruled over the majority 57%. There is no majority government under the UK constitution. In other European countries, a party with only 43% of the vote would have had to go into coalition with another party to bring it above 50% of the vote. The minority rule the majority in the UK. Add the fact that more than half of Parliament is unelected, the first past the post system and the fact that laws are made by unelected judges. You should change your thread title to reflect the fact that there has never been a democratic system in the UK. The Tories were a majority, the other majority you refer to were just those who did not vote Tory and represented a range of disparate parties and views. The idea is to form strong government and get things done. Does not always work but then neither do coalitions. Yes, the idea is strong government. So, to ensure that, a minority rules the majority. The strongest government of all is a dictatorship. I don't see how we disagree. Unless you're saying that's democratic? |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 16, 2023 16:22:38 GMT
There is no democracy anywhere, powerful elites cover things up for greed, preservation or to protect national interest. It happens everywhere to some degree and most papers know not to ask questions though the odd minor one is left alone as no-one takes it seriously. We got out of the EU which was a major democratic step even if a painful one. Was it democratic, or was it a refusal to be democratic? Cameron made requests for changes, and was outvoted in a democratic vote taken by the leaders of the member states of the EU. He lost that democratic vote. So, in one sense, it was a refusal to be democratic. It was democratic, the EU was a club and refused to changes its rules for Cameron. So he asked the nation to decide, that was democracy. Personally I think we should give Scotland a date for another vote if the public consenscus is still there perhaps 2026, 12 years after the last. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:37:04 GMT
Was it democratic, or was it a refusal to be democratic? Cameron made requests for changes, and was outvoted in a democratic vote taken by the leaders of the member states of the EU. He lost that democratic vote. So, in one sense, it was a refusal to be democratic. It was democratic, the EU was a club and refused to changes its rules for Cameron. So he asked the nation to decide, that was democracy. Personally I think we should give Scotland a date for another vote if the public consenscus is still there perhaps 2026, 12 years after the last. Yes, the EU was a club, and changing the rules could only be done by a majority vote. Cameron was outvoted in a democratic vote taken by the leaders of the heads of state of the member states. He lost that democratic vote. The gammons, who pretend to favour democracy, then called for the UK to leave, because they didn't like being in a democratic system where the vote could go against them. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 16, 2023 16:46:32 GMT
The point is that the British people elected Boris because they wanted to leave the EU. That was the basic choice at the last GE. And Boris basically did that. But then the remainer side of the Tory party intervened to get rid of him and now we can't even rely on that happening. Sunak is plainly in favour of closer relations with the EU. We didn't vote for that. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:48:31 GMT
The point is that the British people elected Boris because they wanted to leave the EU. That was the basic choice at the last GE. And Boris basically did that. But then the remainer side of the Tory party intervened to get rid of him and now we can't even rely on that happening. Sunak is plainly in favour of closer relations with the EU. We didn't vote for that. Wasn't it their duty to get rid of him if he was breaking the rules? The Covid rules were decided by a majority of MPs. When Johnson broke them, he was going against the decision of the majority in Parliament. He was acting undemocratically. So, getting rid of him was a boon for democracy, not the other way round. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 16, 2023 16:54:10 GMT
Unfortunately, though, Boris gave them a way to get rid of him. He did lie to the house. He knowingly appointed pervert Pincher and the pervert carried on doing what perverts do. He drew the Queen into a political suspension of Parliament which was rescinded when ruled illegal. He supported Owen Paterson, who should have been fired. He broke the laws, rules and regulations which he was instrumental in making. I don't think Boris did lie - not about anything serious anyway. His suspension of the House was perfectly legitimate. Even Lord Sumption said that the SUpreme Court has to reinterpret the law to rule it illegal. And the Covid laws were NOT made by Boris. They were made by Sage (and the Civil Service). Most of them were absurd and were certainly not appropriate for people like Boris who worked in Number 10. There are hundreds of people who work there. Boris could never keep to all the rules. And anyway even the police only fined him for one "party" - which was surprise party when Carrie brought a cake into a cabinet meeting. How Boris can be blamed for that is a mystery. He was stitched up. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 16, 2023 16:56:28 GMT
Unfortunately, though, Boris gave them a way to get rid of him. He did lie to the house. He knowingly appointed pervert Pincher and the pervert carried on doing what perverts do. He drew the Queen into a political suspension of Parliament which was rescinded when ruled illegal. He supported Owen Paterson, who should have been fired. He broke the laws, rules and regulations which he was instrumental in making. . Even Lord Sumption said that the SUpreme Court has to reinterpret the law to rule it illegal. A Link, please. |
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