Post by johnofgwent on Jun 18, 2023 8:45:15 GMT
Ok a couple of things
1) The way parliament was supposed to work was each voter eligible to vote by way of owning land or property was supposed to vote in their constituency for a man who lived in it or near it to go to Westminster to govern or loyally oppose government whichever they saw fit to do, using their best judgement and conscience, to the best of their ability in the interests of their constituents
2) No women could vote and only one in ten men owned the freehold land (pre 1832) or the required amount of property (post 1832) to have the vote
3) Their Brittanic Majesty’s Prime Minister was not elected but was a trusted counsellor chosen by Their Majesty to go to Westminster at the start of each parliament and there attempt to form from those elected to office a government and ministers. If they could not, they resigned their post and The Sovereign chose another.
4) ninety per cent of the men in the country had no say at all, as anyone unable to afford a fifty shilling freehold pre 1832 or own outright a ten pound house post 1832 was unworthy to be given a vote
Frankly, i wish to god we were back in that place today.
I remember working for Lloyds Bank south east of Birmingham in the runup to Blair’s 2005 election. I recalled a huge amount of canvassing and asked the woman running the B&B. She told me to go look up Keele University’s Political Science Dept website.
Its not there now but wikipedia holds all its data
Keele researched the constituency demographics turnout and majority for literally decades past. Their findings prove the majority, indeed the VAST majority of the 650 seats have, and have ALWAYS had, a bias in the demographics such that if you are not a supporter of the sitting MP’s political party, you have no voice
The area where the most influence over an election is available was the golden triangle south east / south west of Birmingham. Immigration may have swung that a bit. I speak of 2005.
These are the facts.
FPTP creates this.
PR - and i mean TRUE PR with 650 party list slots gives everyone the same voice at the cost of no local candidate (but they don't give a fuck about you) but you end up with a situation like the Knesset. Perpetual minority government with equal numbers of greens, communists welsh nationalist english haters and british national party members and tory labour and lib dem alike need the votes of that shower to stay afloat.
Until this country learns to shoot the bankers who helped Sunak throw the leader the party wanted under a bus and give him her job as the party MPs wanted, this is how ‘democracy’ in the UK will work.
1) The way parliament was supposed to work was each voter eligible to vote by way of owning land or property was supposed to vote in their constituency for a man who lived in it or near it to go to Westminster to govern or loyally oppose government whichever they saw fit to do, using their best judgement and conscience, to the best of their ability in the interests of their constituents
2) No women could vote and only one in ten men owned the freehold land (pre 1832) or the required amount of property (post 1832) to have the vote
3) Their Brittanic Majesty’s Prime Minister was not elected but was a trusted counsellor chosen by Their Majesty to go to Westminster at the start of each parliament and there attempt to form from those elected to office a government and ministers. If they could not, they resigned their post and The Sovereign chose another.
4) ninety per cent of the men in the country had no say at all, as anyone unable to afford a fifty shilling freehold pre 1832 or own outright a ten pound house post 1832 was unworthy to be given a vote
Frankly, i wish to god we were back in that place today.
I remember working for Lloyds Bank south east of Birmingham in the runup to Blair’s 2005 election. I recalled a huge amount of canvassing and asked the woman running the B&B. She told me to go look up Keele University’s Political Science Dept website.
Its not there now but wikipedia holds all its data
Keele researched the constituency demographics turnout and majority for literally decades past. Their findings prove the majority, indeed the VAST majority of the 650 seats have, and have ALWAYS had, a bias in the demographics such that if you are not a supporter of the sitting MP’s political party, you have no voice
The area where the most influence over an election is available was the golden triangle south east / south west of Birmingham. Immigration may have swung that a bit. I speak of 2005.
These are the facts.
FPTP creates this.
PR - and i mean TRUE PR with 650 party list slots gives everyone the same voice at the cost of no local candidate (but they don't give a fuck about you) but you end up with a situation like the Knesset. Perpetual minority government with equal numbers of greens, communists welsh nationalist english haters and british national party members and tory labour and lib dem alike need the votes of that shower to stay afloat.
Until this country learns to shoot the bankers who helped Sunak throw the leader the party wanted under a bus and give him her job as the party MPs wanted, this is how ‘democracy’ in the UK will work.