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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 15, 2023 22:21:11 GMT
You always slightly misinterpret everything, earlier you got confused between him being involved in Partygate and lying to parliament over Partygate, here you've got confused between the birthday party he got the fine for and the Downing Street parties that he lied about. The only thing that was illegal was the birthday party with cake. But as has been pointed out, that wasn't what he was accused of misleading (lying to) parliament about, so that's irrelevant to this report. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 16, 2023 0:24:32 GMT
I have. A shrewd feeling mate Boris will have the last laugh. I earnestly hope he’s had his last laugh. Thumbing his nose at truth and decency while people are dying because of his inept mismanagement, even when chasing a laugh, now appears to be upsetting true blue Tory Tunbridge Wells type party faithfuls, blue rinses and Col Blimps… FFSn starmer and his motley crew were doing the same only on a larger scale. And then just to take the piss head-head hunter was/is a bloody criminal herself. Would you like a slice of pie rather than a piece of cake? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 16, 2023 0:25:41 GMT
The only thing that was illegal was the birthday party with cake. But as has been pointed out, that wasn't what he was accused of misleading (lying to) parliament about, so that's irrelevant to this report. So what was starmer, rayner and the bloody kin nicks doing then hash? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 16, 2023 0:33:58 GMT
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "his inept management", you can use facts rather than smears and innuendo to let us know about this alleged failing on his part. When did a glass of wine and slice of cake ever kill anyone? |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 16, 2023 0:35:57 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 16, 2023 0:43:21 GMT
Nice one Jonksy, Littlejohn is bang on the money. More and more people are feeling uncomfortable about this political lynching, Harman went too far. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 16, 2023 0:49:21 GMT
Nice one Jonksy, Littlejohn is bang on the money. More and more people are feeling uncomfortable about this political lynching, Harman went too far. This was a full on assault on our democracy mate and those lefty ring pieces who support it whilst ignoring the facts are complicit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 6:11:37 GMT
Must admit, I agree with Johnson on this:
"It is for the people of this country to decide who sits in parliament, not Harriet Harman."
Harriot Harman did not decide the committee did Tory majority as well. Do you really believe that Harman could have overruled the committee if they had decided he was not guilty? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 16, 2023 6:24:18 GMT
It mostly consists of "look over there" distraction, same as the guff on here. If that is the best defence, not a surprise that they found him guilty.
If you attended social events, then denied that social events took place, it's not unreasonable to conclude that you were lying. Saying that someone else told you it was within the rules isn't going to wash.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 6:36:23 GMT
Everybody who was eligible to sit on that committee will have had a view on whether Johnson was guilty or innocent of lying to parliament and the committee whether they said it or not.
The committee members were approved by parliament including Harmon.
Their job was to investigate whether Johnson had lied to parliament.
Lying is almost impossible to prove unless the accused admits to it as such the committee could only go on the evidence as it was, a liar vey rarely admits he has lied.
The balance of the evidence is all you need to show someone has lied and this was supplied in full.
It has always been the case with the Tories of shifting the blame for their mistakes to someone else, especially Johnson.
There is evidence of intimidation and threats against the members of the committee.
If not the members of the committee then who?
Rees Mogg, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, Braverman>?
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2023 6:44:27 GMT
The only thing that was illegal was the birthday party with cake. But as has been pointed out, that wasn't what he was accused of misleading (lying to) parliament about, so that's irrelevant to this report. Nowhere in that 108-page document is there any hard evidence of this - in fact they seemed more upset that he called them a kangaroo court. And you have to laugh at the Committees claim that the 'party' in the press office was illegal and that Boris lied about it when they admitted he wasn't even there..  |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 16, 2023 6:44:50 GMT
Supposing Johnson is given 90 day suspension and gets his pass withdrawn, will he still get his MP’s pension because he resigned before he was pushed? I guess he’ll also get protection — though we can suppose he doesn’t use it… Pensions cannot be denied, even to incarcerated criminals. I was told that by the police. Our Chief Constable did a runner "to spend more time with his family on grounds of ill health" 30 minutes before the tribunal formed to hear the case against him for corruption and perverting the course of justice. All parties were sworn to NDA's but my formal complaint that the man had absconded and my taxes were now paying his bloody pension met that response from his replacement.
The 90 day suspension from the Commons is only available as a punishment for those who are members. In short, Boris was handed the pearl handled, nickel plated revolver and urged to "go and do the decent thing" and he did. The moment he resigned from the Commons "with immediate effect" the only thing the house could do to censure him further was disable his parliamentary pass.
The only financial reward Johnson is missing out on is the rather splendid bung all MP's get if they were elected members at the moment the house is prorogued for an election and they do not then return as MP's in the next session, whether from their choice or the electorate. This is one of the reasons you will hear an MP make a declaration that they are standing down at the next election; it is partly etiquette to provide time for their constituency to find another candidate, but also the fact they won't get the bung if they leave with immediate effect
The Parliamentary Pass issue is interesting though. I wonder if the access to the building is tied to the "Tam Dalyell" protocol (my name for it i don't know what it's really called) Dalyell you may remember was ruled by the court to be a fit and proper person authorised by reason of having taken the parliamentary oath to receive classified information from Clive Ponting which meant neither man was in breach of section two (i think, god it's been decades since i last signed it) of the Official Secrets Act and there goes MY clearance (!) which royally pissed thatcher off and led to everyone being asked the mcCarthy question so their lie could be used as grounds to sack them.
If they take away his pass, does that mean they're revoking his clearance and membership of the Privy Council ? THAT would be REALLY GOOD FUN given Kim Howells the Communist Party Officer man who was in charge of the miners who killed David Wilkie was later made MP for Pontypool and then a Privy Counsellor on Blair's watch
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2023 6:50:01 GMT
It mostly consists of "look over there" distraction, same as the guff on here. If that is the best defence, not a surprise that they found him guilty. If you attended social events, then denied that social events took place, it's not unreasonable to conclude that you were lying. Saying that someone else told you it was within the rules isn't going to wash. Well the rules were so unclear that it was all down to individual interpretation anyway. Don't forget we had hours and hours of arguments over whether a Scotch Egg was a 'substantial meal' - and I don't think we ever got a definitive legal definition. This is where Parliament dropped the ball - where was the forensic investigation when these rules were being introduced that they all nodded through without any challenge?. MPs are very good at investigating and attacking each other - where was that energy when it came to protecting the public from bad Law? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2023 7:44:23 GMT
Who would/should have been on the committee?
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Post by dappy on Jun 16, 2023 7:45:45 GMT
So here we are again. More noise and bluster. More decent people lives and reputations trashed. All to feed the giant but vulnerable ego of Boris Johnson. Hopefully after Monday and the no doubt overwhelming vote to accept the committees report, we can finally close the book on this deeply flawed man. Yet again he will leave behind a damaged institution, a damaged check and balance on power . Having seen the way the decent parliamentarians serving on this committee have been treated, who now would step forward to replace them when it is time for them to step down.
Perhaps the most interesting thing about Monday will be how Sunak behaves. Is he strong enough to stand up for truth and decency and process and vote for the report or is so weak - so much in hock to the rump of noisy Johnson advocates that he will find a convenient but unavoidable crucial meeting with the Andorran Foreign Minister and duck the vote. I fear it will be the latter. And their in an instant will be the reason why the Tories urgently need a period in opposition to work out who they are and get their act together.
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