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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 16:56:47 GMT
What on earth are you rambling on about? my post was to simply point out that I took part in the 1975 referendum and why I voted yes, it was only later when Major who was PM at the time took my country into the EU without a referendum which meant we had EU regulations and rules forced onto our government that they had to abide by, nor would have voted yes back in 1975 had I known that we had to allow freedom of movement by EU citizens into my country at will.
Exactly mate, and we had to suck it up until 2016. What a pity the remain side cannot do the same. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 17:18:45 GMT
So let me get this right You admit that the 1975 leaflet every house received made it clear that the EEC was also about bringing “together the peoples of Europe”, raising living standards and improving working conditions, promoting growth, boosting world trade, to “help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world” and “help maintain peace and freedom”.
And yet you don't realise that that is more than 'just a free Trade Area'? Really?  I suggest you throw a six and have another go at making a sensible post It did NOT make it clear. I see you avoided to state that it never mentioned the loss of UK sovereignty along with theour own identity. maybe you the one who should throw the dice. You know full well that people would not have voted for it if they were told the truth. As they wouldn't have voted to join on the shirtlifters bullshit. Grown ups know we never lost our sovereignty. They know for a start we had the ability to leave the EU Maybe you don't qualify |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 17:56:46 GMT
It did NOT make it clear. I see you avoided to state that it never mentioned the loss of UK sovereignty along with theour own identity. maybe you the one who should throw the dice. You know full well that people would not have voted for it if they were told the truth. As they wouldn't have voted to join on the shirtlifters bullshit. Grown ups know we never lost our sovereignty. They know for a start we had the ability to leave the EU Maybe you don't qualify Still flogging the dead horse I see. Keep it up you are comedy gold. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 31, 2022 19:40:55 GMT
A poll in the street or on the internet is one thing... When the stark truth of how fucked the EU is laid out then that will be a different matter. In 10 years that might change... but for the next 5 years the EU is in big trouble. Perhaps you forget just how "fucked" up the UK was before we joined the EEC / EU and just how "fucked" up the UK is today. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 31, 2022 19:49:36 GMT
I cast my vote back in 75 I voted yes because they claimed it would create more jobs better pay and conditions etc in the UK, if I have known that eventually we would lose our Sovereignty and be run by Brussels I would have noted No The UK has never been run by Brussels. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 31, 2022 21:09:40 GMT
I cast my vote back in 75 I voted yes because they claimed it would create more jobs better pay and conditions etc in the UK, if I have known that eventually we would lose our Sovereignty and be run by Brussels I would have noted No The UK has never been run by Brussels. Although Brussels was assuming more and more power to itself, there were many laws that could not be changed or countered by a UK government and ever closer Union was the watchword. So that was certainly the long term aim. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 31, 2022 21:15:53 GMT
I think you have confused the ECHR with the ECJ. Don't be silly. We're out of the ECJ. But we remain subject to the judgements of the ECHR - by choice apparently. I meant exactly what I said. As always people who wanted to remain in the EU tend not to know what it is. Right. So we've established that the ECHR is nothing to do with Brexit then. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 21:34:41 GMT
So let me get this right You admit that the 1975 leaflet every house received made it clear that the EEC was also about bringing “together the peoples of Europe”, raising living standards and improving working conditions, promoting growth, boosting world trade, to “help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world” and “help maintain peace and freedom”.
And yet you don't realise that that is more than 'just a free Trade Area'? Really? I suggest you throw a six and have another go at making a sensible post A free trade area could help bring about all these things . In reality we were the frog that was put into a cauldron of cold water and gradually heated to the boil . Some still want to get back into the pan. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2022 22:08:19 GMT
Don't be silly. We're out of the ECJ. But we remain subject to the judgements of the ECHR - by choice apparently. I meant exactly what I said. As always people who wanted to remain in the EU tend not to know what it is. Right. So we've established that the ECHR is nothing to do with Brexit then. Brexit allows us to leave or ignore the ECHR should we so wish. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 23:54:02 GMT
So let me get this right You admit that the 1975 leaflet every house received made it clear that the EEC was also about bringing “together the peoples of Europe”, raising living standards and improving working conditions, promoting growth, boosting world trade, to “help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world” and “help maintain peace and freedom”.
And yet you don't realise that that is more than 'just a free Trade Area'? Really? I suggest you throw a six and have another go at making a sensible post A free trade area could help bring about all these things . In reality we were the frog that was put into a cauldron of cold water and gradually heated to the boil . Some still want to get back into the pan. But the fact is it was always more than a free trade area and had programmes such as CAP from the very early days to directly support other objectives. It is just false to say 'we only joined a free trade area' That said your frog analogy isn't a bad one. The EU was allowed to grow too many ambitions, too many non convergent countries and too many areas of competence without too much thought. But it never was the big oppressive 'we run you' ogre uber Brexiters pretend it was. As I outlined, its areas of law making were actually relatively insignificant. The BIG problem was always freedom of movement and that idiot Blair allowing non convergent economy countries to join without limits on their free movement to us. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 1, 2022 0:15:28 GMT
The only thing blair did with free movement was to allow people in early.
He had no choice whether to allow them in or not.
Look at Ireland who introduced FOM the same time has us they have no problem with FOM
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 0:19:19 GMT
A free trade area could help bring about all these things . In reality we were the frog that was put into a cauldron of cold water and gradually heated to the boil . Some still want to get back into the pan. But the fact is it was always more than a free trade area and had programmes such as CAP from the very early days to directly support other objectives. It is just false to say 'we only joined a free trade area' That said your frog analogy isn't a bad one. The EU was allowed to grow too many ambitions, too many non convergent countries and too many areas of competence without too much thought. But it never was the big oppressive 'we run you' ogre uber Brexiters pretend it was. As I outlined, its areas of law making were actually relatively insignificant. The BIG problem was always freedom of movement and that idiot Blair allowing non convergent economy countries to join without limits on their free movement to us. Tbh I can’t totally disagree but I think it’s a bit rich to say that the plebs should of read the small print before the vote to join then claim that the plebs weren’t shown the small print when before the vote to leave . |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 0:25:52 GMT
But the fact is it was always more than a free trade area and had programmes such as CAP from the very early days to directly support other objectives. It is just false to say 'we only joined a free trade area' That said your frog analogy isn't a bad one. The EU was allowed to grow too many ambitions, too many non convergent countries and too many areas of competence without too much thought. But it never was the big oppressive 'we run you' ogre uber Brexiters pretend it was. As I outlined, its areas of law making were actually relatively insignificant. The BIG problem was always freedom of movement and that idiot Blair allowing non convergent economy countries to join without limits on their free movement to us. Tbh I can’t totally disagree but I think it’s a bit rich to say that the plebs should of read the small print before the vote to join then claim that the plebs weren’t shown the small print when before the vote to leave . Just the lefties double standards as per usual mate. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 0:28:41 GMT
Tbh I can’t totally disagree but I think it’s a bit rich to say that the plebs should of read the small print before the vote to join then claim that the plebs weren’t shown the small print when before the vote to leave . Just the lefties double standards as per usual mate. Well if you consider the EU to be a good thing by default , all good roads lead to it and any road leading away must be bad. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 0:29:02 GMT
Double post
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