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Post by colbops on Oct 30, 2022 19:58:36 GMT
I wonder are there any people in Scotland who in principle support the idea of Scottish independence but just can't stand the SNP. Lots |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 30, 2022 20:00:01 GMT
I wonder areparty they people in Scotland who in principle support the idea of Scottish independence but just can't stand the SNP. Yea the party set up by the sex fiend Alex samond the Alba party they hate SNp with a passion |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 30, 2022 23:22:01 GMT
No I'm not stating Britain is the only one in deep dept but it was you who mentioned about the hungarion inflation rate being 20% I just simply compaired that to other EU rate of inflation. And Britain inflation rate post Brexit at 10% is higher then Italy and Greece are you trying to deny that lol. I'm not deny anything. I'm saying who in the right mind would think of re-joining the EU right now when they are failing their own stress tests and are teetering on the edge of another sovereign debt crisis. Then you add the rebuilding of Ukraine, and the serious in fighting happening right now. So... it wouldn't be like re-joining what we left. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2022 7:12:42 GMT
To say nothing of the fact that it was the EU's imperialistic attempts to expand into eastern Europe (and expand NATO) that caused Russia to escalate their war in Ukraine.
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 31, 2022 7:29:22 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Oct 31, 2022 7:33:47 GMT
Most voters voted for the wrong parties at the last general election. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2022 7:38:47 GMT
But they dont know what they are voting for - ask the same question but point out that there will be no opt out from the Euro, no rebate on our contributions and probably join the Schengen zone, they you may get a more accurate answer. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 31, 2022 7:52:11 GMT
That almost sounds like "the people polled in this survey didn't know what they were voting for..."
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2022 7:55:19 GMT
That almost sounds like "the people polled in this survey didn't know what they were voting for..." You think they did?.. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 31, 2022 8:00:31 GMT
As much as those who voted in 2016.
Of course, there is a debate as to how much was understood, and in turn whether the referendum itself was over simplistic. I think this has contributed to the divide that we currently have.
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Post by Toreador on Oct 31, 2022 8:05:19 GMT
As much as those who voted in 2016. Of course, there is a debate as to how much was understood, and in turn whether the referendum itself was over simplistic. I think this has contributed to the divide that we currently have. The only divide is the one erected by those who would deny the result. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 31, 2022 8:08:46 GMT
Not at all. They don't even say how many people were surveyed. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2022 8:12:27 GMT
It would be interesting to know what the question was - you can get any answer you want by asking the question in the right way. It would also be interesting to find out why the 57% want to rejoin the EU. The thing is I don't think the majority of the population know anything about the EU - and that includes most MPs. As Pacifico says the question almost certainly asked people if they wanted to rejoin the EU under the original terms - i.e. just cancel Brexit. But that deal would almost certainly not be on offer - there would be a punishment beating, of course, and we would have to accept the current terms - joining the euro, no rebate etc. But we've got basically what we wanted now. We can trade freely with the EU but we don't have to agree to free movement and we don't have to pay the EU billions every year. We're also out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ. There are a few problems admittedly. We are still in the ECHR but that was just because we agreed to accept the judgement of the ECHR - we could have rejected the ECHR even while in the EU, but there are large number of stupid MPs who won't agree to opting out. And the Irish Protocol places a hard border in the Irish Sea. This is apparently the first time that a nation state (i.e. the UK) has agreed to place a border in their own country without being forced to do so by war. So NI is still in the Single Market and has to abide by EU rules. We need to invoke Article 16 and sort it out. y |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2022 8:13:42 GMT
As much as those who voted in 2016. Of course, there is a debate as to how much was understood, and in turn whether the referendum itself was over simplistic. I think this has contributed to the divide that we currently have. But most of the people who voted in 2016 knew exactly what being outside of the EU looked like - they had already lived it. What you are now asking is do they want to join a club without knowing the rules of that club. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 31, 2022 8:21:15 GMT
As much as those who voted in 2016. Of course, there is a debate as to how much was understood, and in turn whether the referendum itself was over simplistic. I think this has contributed to the divide that we currently have. The referendum question had to be simplistic. The explanation of what the question meant was explained by the various campaigns. And ALL the campaigns were clear that leaving the EU meant leaving the Single Market and the Customs Union. All people had to do was try to understand what the SM and CU are. The SM means that you abide by the 4 pillars of the EU (free movement, product rules etc) and the CU means that you have to raise barriers to trade against all non-EU countries (i.e. the whole Commonwealth). In other words it's a trade protection zone. Why anyone should want to be part of this I don't know. The "EU" we joined was very different beast. It simply provided a free trade area. |
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