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Post by Steve on Oct 28, 2022 23:00:37 GMT
Well if you divorce a wife saying she's fat and smells it's never likely she'll still do your ironing is it. That rather depends on whether she's fat and smelly or not. Well I can't speak from personal experience but I suspect most fat and smelly wives would still take it badly being called such and so would still refuse to do your ironing afterwards. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 28, 2022 23:02:47 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 28, 2022 23:27:10 GMT
No we shouldn't have a second referendum, but if there is a party offering that for a small contingent of EUvangelists then vote them into office. Until then, it's all pie in the sky and wishful thinking.
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2022 0:12:27 GMT
Who in their right mind would re-join the EU right now anyway?
1)The Eurozone is about to have another Sovereign Debt Crisis, based on the fact it is failing all the stress tests again.
2) Germany has stuck two fingers up to everybody else and appears to be doing its own thing by borrowing 200b as it attempts to unilaterally sort out its energy crisis.
3) Hungary is an economic time bomb with 20% inflation and the EU withholding billions worth of funds from it.
4) Poland is being punished by the EU too, with billions of funding being withheld.
5) The EU have pledged to allow Ukraine to join... a country that will need trillions to rebuild... and guess everybody can see what will happen when they are allowed Freedom of Movement.
This isn't the EU we left, which all the re-joiners are conveniently glossing over.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 29, 2022 5:29:03 GMT
Who in their right mind would re-join the EU right now anyway? 1)The Eurozone is about to have another Sovereign Debt Crisis, based on the fact it is failing all the stress tests again. 2) Germany has stuck two fingers up to everybody else and appears to be doing its own thing by borrowing 200b as it attempts to unilaterally sort out its energy crisis. 3) Hungary is an economic time bomb with 20% inflation and the EU withholding billions worth of funds from it. 4) Poland is being punished by the EU too, with billions of funding being withheld. 5) The EU have pledged to allow Ukraine to join... a country that will need trillions to rebuild... and guess everybody can see what will happen when they are allowed Freedom of Movement. This isn't the EU we left, which all the re-joiners are conveniently glossing over. Dodgydave i looked at your claims . EU soverign dept crisis most reports seem to suggest this is a future event one even going back a year. Compair that TO Britain were already in a Dept crisis. 200 billion borrowing Germany for energy cap . Reports vari from 80bn to 200bn for energy cap. EVen at the lower cost that's more per household compared to Germany. Lets not forget the pound lower then the Euro. Hungarys inflation 20% compaiired to france at 6% British rate 10% . Britain inflation rate is even higher then Italy and Greece. The Eu has borrowed poland 5.6 Billion. Has for Ukraine JJoining the Eu it might not. So thats a none point. Has ffor wha4 effect Fom will have on Ukraine the Average EU wage has increased by 4% compared to British at 2% since Brexit . Also a active eemployment rate with immigration created jobs |
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 29, 2022 6:37:04 GMT
In the case of sovereign debt crises I think most countries in the EU are subject to these. The ECB had a vast program of QE (about 2.5 trillion euros). The main problem for the EU countries saddled with this debt is that they have to pay it back - and they pay high rates of interest until they do. Greece, for example, will never be able to repay its loan and is financially crippled forever. The UK has control of its own currency so we're paying low (or zero) rates of interest on our BoE debt - and eventually the BoE may just cancel the debt. Which do you prefer TTL3?
Sterling's exchange rate is about 87p per euro - which is close to a long term average.
Actually I think this is a bit of a silly thread. Attempting to make comparisons between countries in the last few years - when they've all been affected by Covid - is pointless. Whatever you think of Brexit it's sensible to give it a few years to settle down before rushing to judgement. In any case the dire predictions of Project Fear have all proved to be false.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 29, 2022 9:01:06 GMT
I perfer our control of our own currency. Even labour perferd this option that's why we never joined the Euro.
British sterling rate might be close to the Euro Average but its still below the Euro.
Has this being a silly post because it compares countries im only answered dodgydave post who is a brexiteer.
He even mention what if the Ukraine joined the EU what is a none point.
Has for giving more time for leaving the EU the referendum was in 2016 .6yrs ago how much time do you want
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Post by Handyman on Oct 29, 2022 11:46:59 GMT
In the case of sovereign debt crises I think most countries in the EU are subject to these. The ECB had a vast program of QE (about 2.5 trillion euros). The main problem for the EU countries saddled with this debt is that they have to pay it back - and they pay high rates of interest until they do. Greece, for example, will never be able to repay its loan and is financially crippled forever. The UK has control of its own currency so we're paying low (or zero) rates of interest on our BoE debt - and eventually the BoE may just cancel the debt. Which do you prefer TTL3? Sterling's exchange rate is about 87p per euro - which is close to a long term average. Actually I think this is a bit of a silly thread. Attempting to make comparisons between countries in the last few years - when they've all been affected by Covid - is pointless. Whatever you think of Brexit it's sensible to give it a few years to settle down before rushing to judgement. In any case the dire predictions of Project Fear have all proved to be false. Well said |
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Post by Steve on Oct 29, 2022 14:00:57 GMT
Who in their right mind would re-join the EU right now anyway? 1)The Eurozone is about to have another Sovereign Debt Crisis, based on the fact it is failing all the stress tests again. . . . Eurozone debt to GDP is actually slightly lower than the UKs tradingeconomics.com/euro-area/indicators |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 30, 2022 0:17:10 GMT
Who in their right mind would re-join the EU right now anyway? 1)The Eurozone is about to have another Sovereign Debt Crisis, based on the fact it is failing all the stress tests again. 2) Germany has stuck two fingers up to everybody else and appears to be doing its own thing by borrowing 200b as it attempts to unilaterally sort out its energy crisis. 3) Hungary is an economic time bomb with 20% inflation and the EU withholding billions worth of funds from it. 4) Poland is being punished by the EU too, with billions of funding being withheld. 5) The EU have pledged to allow Ukraine to join... a country that will need trillions to rebuild... and guess everybody can see what will happen when they are allowed Freedom of Movement. This isn't the EU we left, which all the re-joiners are conveniently glossing over. Dodgydave i looked at your claims . EU soverign dept crisis most reports seem to suggest this is a future event one even going back a year. Compair that TO Britain were already in a Dept crisis. 200 billion borrowing Germany for energy cap . Reports vari from 80bn to 200bn for energy cap. EVen at the lower cost that's more per household compared to Germany. Lets not forget the pound lower then the Euro. Hungarys inflation 20% compaiired to france at 6% British rate 10% . Britain inflation rate is even higher then Italy and Greece. The Eu has borrowed poland 5.6 Billion. Has for Ukraine JJoining the Eu it might not. So thats a none point. Has ffor wha4 effect Fom will have on Ukraine the Average EU wage has increased by 4% compared to British at 2% since Brexit . Also a active eemployment rate with immigration created jobs The ECB issued a warning just a few weeks back that the final stress index has risen sharply to 0.5. The last time it spiked to 0.6 the Soverign Debt Crisis happened. ![]() ...and are you really going to pretend Hungary and Italy are not deep deep in the shit right now? lol. Debt to GPD Uk 104%, France 131%, Italy 178%, Spain 111%, Belgium 120%, Greece 237%, Portugal 148%. Are you sure the UK is the only one in crisis? lol. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 30, 2022 4:02:22 GMT
No I'm not stating Britain is the only one in deep dept but it was you who mentioned about the hungarion inflation rate being 20%
I just simply compaired that to other EU rate of inflation.
And Britain inflation rate post Brexit at 10% is higher then Italy and Greece are you trying to deny that lol.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 30, 2022 7:41:37 GMT
I perfer our control of our own currency. Even labour perferd this option that's why we never joined the Euro. British sterling rate might be close to the Euro Average but its still below the Euro. Has this being a silly post because it compares countries im only answered dodgydave post who is a brexiteer. He even mention what if the Ukraine joined the EU what is a none point. Has for giving more time for leaving the EU the referendum was in 2016 .6yrs ago how much time do you want This is pretty silly too. The reason why didn't adopt the euro is that we had an opt out. However the rule now is that all countries have to join the euro. There are no "opt outs" now. And you know what happened when we joined the ERM. And the referendum may have been in 2016 but many years have been spent getting our MPs to actually implement it. We left the EU in 2020 and there was an almost immediate pandemic which crippled most economies. Trying to compare pre-Brexit data with post-Brexit data is pointless because Covid has totally distorted it. All we can say is that the Project Fear predictions were all wrong. We carry on trading with the EU with very little difference from pre-Brexit trade. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 30, 2022 8:22:18 GMT
We carry on trading with the EU with very little difference from pre-Brexit trade
We know export 14% less trade to the EU
Imports fell by 25% .
That's in 2021 we left the EU in 2020 has you said
Has for trade disruption due to covid
Droped by 4% for imports and 7% for Export
Hae you can see there a massive disparity between figures
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 30, 2022 13:36:41 GMT
We carry on trading with the EU with very little difference from pre-Brexit trade We know export 14% less trade to the EU Imports fell by 25% . That's in 2021 we left the EU in 2020 has you said Has for trade disruption due to covid Droped by 4% for imports and 7% for Export Hae you can see there a massive disparity between figures You don't listen do you. Brexit basically coincided with Covid-19. So you can't attribute any effects to Brexit without taking into account the effects of Covid. I'll give you a simple example - rather than trying to analyse dubious figures about trade and GDP. Mid-last year I needed a new ride-on mower because the old one broke terminally. Unfortunately you couldn't buy any. Why? Because the manufacturers couldn't get hold of the chips tat are essential to most modern tech products. Why couldn't they get the chips? Because they came from China and China was in lockdown. SFA to do with Brexit. I also needed a new car. Same problem. The waiting lists were huge (still are) because manufacturers couldn't get parts. Again Covid. The consolation was that I got a great price for my s/h car. Do you think this might have slowed trade down a bit? |
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Post by vlk on Oct 30, 2022 19:45:22 GMT
I wonder are there any people in Scotland who in principle support the idea of Scottish independence but just can't stand the SNP.
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