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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 9:17:10 GMT
srb7677 im not sure what you mean by stamer lied to the members to get elected.
Can you elaborate on that.
And its people like you who voted corbyn in was responsible for the disastrous result in the 2019 election.
Ive made the point to you before the general public dont want a far right or far left party in power
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Post by see2 on Nov 6, 2022 14:31:25 GMT
A politician who lies to get elected, unheard of. My Corbyn would never do that. He has never attempted to hide that, he is pro EU, but he recognises re-joining at tis time is not practical. I understand you voted to leave, but this is a democracy and the country is changing its mind about the decision. (but that's being discussed in depth elsewhere) I agree, which is why I thought the article is very good. I disagree, anyone with an ounce of intelligence would not assume the situation could be so black and white. Several points. Starmer's lies to gain his position were utterly brazen and far more calculatedly dishonest than anything Corbyn ever came out with. Would you please supply verbatim, comment date and evidence of Starmer's "utterly brazen lie or lies"? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 6, 2022 16:08:28 GMT
Look it was materially changed for us. And you do know the irony don't you that if Lisbon had failed there's be no article 50 and therefore . . . . However it was not materially changed for most others and they had no referendum. One failed referendum would have sealed its fate and that was a risk that could not be taken. It had to be taken with Ireland and they 'materially' changed it again and threw everything at getting a yes vote. No article 50 was not a problem for us. All we needed was a vote in Parliament. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2022 16:57:43 GMT
Several points. Starmer's lies to gain his position were utterly brazen and far more calculatedly dishonest than anything Corbyn ever came out with. Would you please supply verbatim, comment date and evidence of Starmer's "utterly brazen lie or lies"? Fill your boots.. |
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Post by vlk on Nov 6, 2022 18:07:37 GMT
If remain had won in 2016 would we be having this discussion? I don't think so.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2022 18:16:02 GMT
If remain had won in 2016 would we be having this discussion? I don't think so. You mean we wouldn't have had a 2nd confirmatory referendum? - say it ain't so..  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 18:23:04 GMT
Several points. Starmer's lies to gain his position were utterly brazen and far more calculatedly dishonest than anything Corbyn ever came out with. Would you please supply verbatim, comment date and evidence of Starmer's "utterly brazen lie or lies"? Here are Starmer's ten pledges to the membership to get elected. much of which has proven to be blatant lies.... www.clpd.org.uk/resource/keir-starmer-10-pledges/ |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 6, 2022 18:28:21 GMT
Would you please supply verbatim, comment date and evidence of Starmer's "utterly brazen lie or lies"? Here are Starmer's ten pledges to the membership to get elected. much of which has proven to be blatant lies.... www.clpd.org.uk/resource/keir-starmer-10-pledges/You can tell he is another one who was a failed Lawyer, he tries to take exactly the same way of going about politics, his lies are more believable than the other sides lie, but they are all lies. |
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Post by vlk on Nov 6, 2022 18:31:27 GMT
Some people seem to think that the country isn't divided enough yet. We just have to bring back the Brexit-issue.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2022 18:33:36 GMT
Starmer doing his best to move on...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 18:35:02 GMT
srb7677 im not sure what you mean by stamer lied to the members to get elected. Can you elaborate on that. And its people like you who voted corbyn in was responsible for the disastrous result in the 2019 election. Ive made the point to you before the general public dont want a far right or far left party in power The policies in the Labour 2017 manifesto were highly popular when polled. It was not these that cost the party the election. Perrhaps that is because they were not far left at all but a reasonable social democratic policy response to four decades of Thatcherite failures. And I never voted Corbyn in. I only joined the party once he already became leader because I liked the policy direction. And I have already posted a link to Starmer's dishonest ten pledges, and Pacifico has posted an entire video highlighting his lies. But the ends justify the means, right? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 6, 2022 18:42:23 GMT
Would you please supply verbatim, comment date and evidence of Starmer's "utterly brazen lie or lies"? Here are Starmer's ten pledges to the membership to get elected. much of which has proven to be blatant lies.... www.clpd.org.uk/resource/keir-starmer-10-pledges/They are? Please explain how so |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 18:52:17 GMT
Several points. Starmer's lies to gain his position were utterly brazen and far more calculatedly dishonest than anything Corbyn ever came out with. Indeed one of the latter's main drawbacks is that he tended to say exactly what he thought even when not good politics. And much as you deny it it is basically obvious that anyone who can systematically and calculatedly lie to one electorate to get elected is perfectly capable of doing so to another. You are also wrong about me and clearly didn't properly read my previous post, because I did not vote to Leave, I voted to Remain. And I think Brexit has been an economic disaster. I think Starmer knows that too but he will pretend otherwise because gaining support is more important to him than honesty or integrity. In your opinion was Corbyn pro Brexit, my memory is of him flip flopping on it as he tried to work out what the voters wanted him to say in the 2019 GE. I doubt whether Corbyn was pro-EU in his heart but was persuaded to support membership. He was quite obviously lukewarm about it though and it clearly wasn't an issue that fired him up. But just because Corbyn thought a certain way does not mean I did too. I have my own mind and did not agree with Corbyn on everything. I was never any kind of Corbyn cultist as we on the left are loved to be caricatured. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 18:59:28 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 19:10:44 GMT
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