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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 14:04:43 GMT
And REAL grownups would know where I was coming from. La la land? Is it my fault that is where you inhabit? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 14:07:50 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy is annoyed he's been found out with his 'EUSSR' and other delusions. We can expect more tantrums
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 1, 2022 14:11:29 GMT
That's an old defence of the EU - "the EU is democratic because you can leave it". Bollocks. It's actually very, very difficult to leave the EU as we've shown. It's designed to make it as hard as possible - and the EU had the cheek to demand massive payment for the right to leave (originally set at £80 billion) and to agree a "Wthdrawal Agreement" before they would negotiate trade. They made it as difficult as possible, and Martin Selmayr said that the price of the UK leaving the EU would be the breakup of the UK. So they weaponised Northern Ireland with the NI Protocol, where basically NI stays in the Single Market and has a hard border with Britain. And for any country that's in the EU and has adopted the euro it is virtually impossible to leave. Rubbish Legally it was was easy to leave. We had full sovereignty. Leaving and not having an economic disaster from the consequences was the difficult thing. Nonsense. The EU put a lot of obstacles in the way of leaving because it wanted to deter others from taking the same course. That should be obvious to anyone who's followed what's gone on. The EU were perfectly prepared to disadvantage their members in order to punish the UK. That's not a rational course of action. What we should have done is simply leave and go onto WTO trading terms, but sadly most of politicians didn't have the bottle to do that. But if you're in the euro you're screwed. As Hague said "the Eurozone is a burning building with no exit doors". That'sll soon be true of the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2022 14:16:28 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy is annoyed he's been found out with his 'EUSSR' and other delusions. We can expect more tantrums You constantly follow him round the forum trying to wind him up. Can we expect more harassment? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 14:25:01 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy is annoyed he's been found out with his 'EUSSR' and other delusions. We can expect more tantrums You constantly follow him round the forum trying to wind him up. Can we expect more harassment? Don't worry about it mate. There are no tantrums from me. But the other poster is shitting and stamping in it as he cannot abuse his own authority here. Like I have stated I feel his pain. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 1, 2022 15:45:53 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy is annoyed he's been found out with his 'EUSSR' and other delusions. We can expect more tantrums You constantly follow him round the forum trying to wind him up. Can we expect more harassment? No I don't I regularly challenge the posting of BS, is it my fault if he's a frequent source? And if you cared to look, he's regularly stalking me posting his BS in response to my posts. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 17:32:40 GMT
Well if you consider the EU to be a good thing by default , all good roads lead to it and any road leading away must be bad. And just who do you suppose considers the well flawed EU to be a good thing by default? It was a least worst option and only a conditional one at that. The least worse is the nearest thing to a good thing. Also if the EU was the ( in your opinion ) the least worse then why not praise the attempt to find another way? You insinuated that people who voted be in the EU were stupid not to read the small print but have done nothing but whine about the people who had the balls to try to rewrite the small print. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 17:40:53 GMT
You constantly follow him round the forum trying to wind him up. Can we expect more harassment? No I don't I regularly challenge the posting of BS, is it my fault if he's a frequent source? And if you cared to look, he's regularly stalking me posting his BS in response to my posts. And I challenge your constant bullshit. Lets face it you have enough. All you do is praise the EUSSR and defend labour FFS. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 1, 2022 19:04:00 GMT
I still think Jonksy is a schoolkid. His posting style is very immature and full of errors. Things like "EUSSR" and "woke" in every post makes it very difficult to have an adult discussion.
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 19:49:35 GMT
The Maastricht Treaty was never put to the people of the UK, and it was signed before the 1992 GE. In fact, it was only put to a couple of countries. In France it scrapped through, and the others had to run a second referendum because they didn't get the answer they wanted lol. Freedom of Movement is just a bad idea. Tens of millions of people wandering around the EU in an unplanned manner, lowering wages, causing housing shortages, straining public services, and limiting the opportunities of our young people. BS ^ The Maastricht treaty was provisionally signed before that GE. It was not approved and then ratified until 1993 by the government that stood in that 1992 election on a platform of planning to ratify it. Where did they say they were planning to ratify it? The manifesto said Maastricht was a success, there was no indication that it was incomplete and that the EEC would become the EU and all that entailed and a majority in parliament was required to see it through |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 1, 2022 20:01:16 GMT
BS ^ The Maastricht treaty was provisionally signed before that GE. It was not approved and then ratified until 1993 by the government that stood in that 1992 election on a platform of planning to ratify it. Where did they say they were planning to ratify it? The manifesto said Maastricht was a success, there was no indication that it was incomplete and that the EEC would become the EU and all that entailed and a majority in parliament was required to see it through Nearly all the politicians were quick to say along the lines of, 'move along nothing to see here', until it was getting obvious we were starting to be overran with economic migrants and EU criminals. If the politicians had been open with each treaty advising on both the good and bad impacts we might have put a spanner in the works earlier on yet it is what it is. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 20:37:11 GMT
Oh dear Jonksy is annoyed he's been found out with his 'EUSSR' and other delusions. We can expect more tantrums You constantly follow him round the forum trying to wind him up. Can we expect more harassment? You might ask Jonsky the same question. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 20:47:59 GMT
Where did they say they were planning to ratify it? The manifesto said Maastricht was a success, there was no indication that it was incomplete and that the EEC would become the EU and all that entailed and a majority in parliament was required to see it through Nearly all the politicians were quick to say along the lines of, 'move along nothing to see here', until it was getting obvious we were starting to be overran with economic migrants and EU criminals. If the politicians had been open with each treaty advising on both the good and bad impacts we might have put a spanner in the works earlier on yet it is what it is. People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 21:01:20 GMT
I still think Jonksy is a schoolkid. His posting style is very immature and full of errors. Things like "EUSSR" and "woke" in every post makes it very difficult to have an adult discussion. Thats funny I feel the same about you. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 21:11:51 GMT
The UK has never been run by Brussels. Although Brussels was assuming more and more power to itself, there were many laws that could not be changed or countered by a UK government and ever closer Union was the watchword. So that was certainly the long term aim. Negotiations have taken place. __"In general, the law of the European Union is valid in all of the twenty-seven European Union member states. However, occasionally member states negotiate certain opt-outs from legislation or treaties of the European Union, meaning they do not have to participate in certain policy areas. Currently, three states have such opt-outs: Denmark (two opt-outs), Ireland (two opt-outs) and Poland (one opt-out). The United Kingdom had four opt-outs before leaving the Union. |
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