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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 21:15:43 GMT
I still think Jonksy is a schoolkid. His posting style is very immature and full of errors. Things like "EUSSR" and "woke" in every post makes it very difficult to have an adult discussion. Thats funny I feel the same about you. WE can always rely on Jonsky to give the sort of reply one might expect from a ten-year-old in a schoolyard. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 21:20:01 GMT
Nearly all the politicians were quick to say along the lines of, 'move along nothing to see here', until it was getting obvious we were starting to be overran with economic migrants and EU criminals. If the politicians had been open with each treaty advising on both the good and bad impacts we might have put a spanner in the works earlier on yet it is what it is. People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. The FOM entails economic migration of which there were millions. Then there was other legal migration. Illegal migrants can be economic migrants or asylum seekers. All of that still does not alter the fact as regards the question I asked where the 1992 Tory manifesto was very slim on detail as regards Maastricht, the ratification of it and what all of that entailed |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 21:20:18 GMT
Thats funny I feel the same about you. WE can always rely on Jonsky to give the sort of reply one might expect from a ten-year-old in a schoolyard. Ah bless.. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 21:37:39 GMT
People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. The FOM entails economic migration of which there were millions. Then there was other legal migration. Illegal migrants can be economic migrants or asylum seekers. All of that still does not alter the fact as regards the question I asked where the 1992 Tory manifesto was very slim on detail as regards Maastricht, the ratification of it and what all of that entailed Why are you ignoring the obvious difference between economic migrants from outside of the EU and those legal migrants from inside the EU. As I posted people need to be wary of confusing the issue of migrants entering the country. Other than that my post did not reply to either you or your question. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 21:43:45 GMT
WE can always rely on Jonsky to give the sort of reply one might expect from a ten-year-old in a schoolyard. Ah bless.. I'm sure you have been blessed many times  |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 1, 2022 21:46:41 GMT
I'm sure you have been blessed many times Well I always see my glass as half full rather than half empty. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 21:57:07 GMT
As much as those who voted in 2016. Of course, there is a debate as to how much was understood, and in turn whether the referendum itself was over simplistic. I think this has contributed to the divide that we currently have. But most of the people who voted in 2016 knew exactly what being outside of the EU looked like - they had already lived it.What you are now asking is do they want to join a club without knowing the rules of that club. But NOT outside of the 50million people market. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 21:59:24 GMT
The FOM entails economic migration of which there were millions. Then there was other legal migration. Illegal migrants can be economic migrants or asylum seekers. All of that still does not alter the fact as regards the question I asked where the 1992 Tory manifesto was very slim on detail as regards Maastricht, the ratification of it and what all of that entailed Why are you ignoring the obvious difference between economic migrants from outside of the EU and those legal migrants from inside the EU. As I posted people need to be wary of confusing the issue of migrants entering the country. Other than that my post did not reply to either you or your question. Not ignoring anything, all EU FOM people are economic migrants and are no different from economic migrants from outside the EU who are allowed in through a legal procedure. Legal migration is a separate issue, though closely associated, from illegal migration and asylum seekers. EU FOM and other economic migrants here legally are those we chose to allow in or were allowed in as part of agreements with other countries. Asylum seekers and illegal migrants are those we do not choose to allow in although they may be allowed to stay. I am not sure why you raised this issue on a couple of posts dealing with the 1992 'mandate' to join the EU. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2022 22:07:46 GMT
Nearly all the politicians were quick to say along the lines of, 'move along nothing to see here', until it was getting obvious we were starting to be overran with economic migrants and EU criminals. If the politicians had been open with each treaty advising on both the good and bad impacts we might have put a spanner in the works earlier on yet it is what it is. People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. Why? - they all have the same negative effects on local communities. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2022 22:08:30 GMT
But most of the people who voted in 2016 knew exactly what being outside of the EU looked like - they had already lived it.What you are now asking is do they want to join a club without knowing the rules of that club. But NOT outside of the 50million people market. speak for yourself |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 1, 2022 22:11:21 GMT
People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. Why? - they all have the same negative effects on local communities. That did cross my mind although I’m not sure that each has the same negative effects but they all have some kind of negative effects ..imo. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 22:34:04 GMT
Why are you ignoring the obvious difference between economic migrants from outside of the EU and those legal migrants from inside the EU. As I posted people need to be wary of confusing the issue of migrants entering the country. Other than that my post did not reply to either you or your question. Not ignoring anything, all EU FOM people are economic migrants and are no different from economic migrants from outside the EU who are allowed in through a legal procedure. You are ignoring the difference between the two which is a major fault when referring to EU migrants and a host of non-EU migrants. If non-EU migrants are allowed in through some legal procedure, they are still not EU FoM migrants. So stop trying to confuse the issue. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 22:35:13 GMT
But NOT outside of the 50million people market. speak for yourself Take your own advice. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 1, 2022 22:41:19 GMT
Not ignoring anything, all EU FOM people are economic migrants and are no different from economic migrants from outside the EU who are allowed in through a legal procedure. You are ignoring the difference between the two which is a major fault when referring to EU migrants and a host of non-EU migrants. If non-EU migrants are allowed in through some legal procedure, they are still not EU FoM migrants. So stop trying to confuse the issue. A legal economic migrant is a legal economic migrant whether he comes from Rome or Timbuctoo. What method allows him in is immaterial to his designation as all that is required is that he has arrived through a legal procedure directly and not through an illegal means. There is no confusion. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2022 22:41:29 GMT
People need to be wary of confusing economic migrants, illegal migrants and asylum seekers with legal EU Freedom of Movement migrants. Why? - they all have the same negative effects on local communities. It's a case of understanding the issue. The original dispute was FoM 'V' Illegal migrants and the roll it played in the referendum. If you want to debate negative effects of mass immigration, then be my guest. |
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