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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 7, 2023 10:34:49 GMT
Sir Chris Whitty FRS ( fellow of the Royal Society ) FFPH ( fellow of the Faculty of Public Health ) FMedSci ( Fellow of the Academy of Medical Sciences ) FRCPCH ( Fellow of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health ) FFPM ( Fellow of the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine ). Former Chief Advisor to the UK Government Department of Health and Social Care Former Chief Medical Officer for England Former head of the National Institute for Health and Care Research NIHCR DSc - Doctor of Sciene ( Oxford ) ..... BM & BCh - Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery ( Oxford ) ..... DTM&H - Diploma in Tropical Medicine & Hygiene ( London School of Tropical Medicine ) ..... MSc - Master of Science in Epidemiology ( Northumbria University ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But instead lets listen to conspiracy theorists on YouTube or TikTok Do you not realise how utterly ridiculous and pathetic it makes you look ? If you were ill, would you go to (A) a plumber (B) a sausage maker or (C) a qualified doctor of General Practice. LOL... Chris Whitty the patsy that was instructed what to say, he was reading from script. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 7, 2023 11:47:02 GMT
We can clearly see why the Populist Right are losing the so called Culture Wars, they ridicule scientists and scientific evidence. You would rather support Neanderthal idiots with the IQ of a Chimpanzee, people like Donald Trump, rather than listen to science. Bumbling Boris at least TRYED to do the right thing, he listened to people who knew what they were talking about and took notice, but his problem was that he thought the rules did not apply to him. The psychological damage is no doubt ongoing Sydney. By the way how did Labour vote on lockdown? To be fair, Labour did a lot better than the Tories. They followed the science and stopped people buying a book in Tescos - stopped Covid dead in its tracks..  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 7, 2023 12:47:06 GMT
I lost all respect for the populist Right during covid. Actually I had an idea earlier about that. At the moment we have levels of immigration orders of magnitude higher than in the past and is proving a big problem. The Right constantly go on about the Left and their woke making matters worse, but ask why they all come here. Well it is because of the bombs Nato likes to drop over that way, destabilising the Middle East and so forth. You have both the Left and the Right creating the problem together. Who would have thought! There were no so-called culture wars BVL until the loony left made them. They came from the influence of the Soviet Union on Britain. Before that, around WW2 time, the US backed the Soviet Union with massive funding. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 7, 2023 13:28:23 GMT
There were no so-called culture wars BVL until the loony left made them. They came from the influence of the Soviet Union on Britain. Before that, around WW2 time, the US backed the Soviet Union with massive funding. The UK also made massive sacrifices supplying the Russians in WWII. Like now, it's any foe of your enemy is your ally.
It was only after the war, when the dust had settled and efforts were being made to rebuild after the massive conflict, and the wartime propaganda's effect had lessened, that the West realised that the Russians and their rulers were less civilised and cultivated and more merciless than the Germans.
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On Covid lockdowns — Boris was late in accepting the pandemic was a threat to the UK. Once it had got here and rapidly established itself, panic struck the government and everything that would catch the public's attention was announced and, where possible, enacted.
Billions of pounds were spent and lockdowns were brought in. At the time, they looked like a sensible move — and they may well still be found to have been so, despite anti-vaxxers, anti-nanny state, and contrary trolls voicing off...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 7, 2023 15:24:17 GMT
They came from the influence of the Soviet Union on Britain. Before that, around WW2 time, the US backed the Soviet Union with massive funding. The UK also made massive sacrifices supplying the Russians in WWII. Like now, it's any foe of your enemy is your ally.
It was only after the war, when the dust had settled and efforts were being made to rebuild after the massive conflict, and the wartime propaganda's effect had lessened, that the West realised that the Russians and their rulers were less civilised and cultivated and more merciless than the Germans.
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On Covid lockdowns — Boris was late in accepting the pandemic was a threat to the UK. Once it had got here and rapidly established itself, panic struck the government and everything that would catch the public's attention was announced and, where possible, enacted.
Billions of pounds were spent and lockdowns were brought in. At the time, they looked like a sensible move — and they may well still be found to have been so, despite anti-vaxxers, anti-nanny state, and contrary trolls voicing off...
You recall the point at which the Chinese had figured out the genome and sent the data to the WHO. Well at the same time they sent their own covid protocol to the British government which was based on their academics figuring its characteristics out by studying it. This would be a full set of measures and all the medical treatment data they had. What they said was that the British government simply ignored it. I suppose the officials and the cabinet thought the Chinese were like stupid and good to ignore. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 15:29:42 GMT
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 7, 2023 15:31:07 GMT
Sir Chris Whitty FRS ( fellow of the Royal Society ) FFPH ( fellow of the Faculty of Public Health ) FMedSci ( Fellow of the Academy of Medical Sciences ) FRCPCH ( Fellow of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health ) FFPM ( Fellow of the Faculty of Pharmaceutical Medicine ). Former Chief Advisor to the UK Government Department of Health and Social Care Former Chief Medical Officer for England Former head of the National Institute for Health and Care Research NIHCR DSc - Doctor of Sciene ( Oxford ) ..... BM & BCh - Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery ( Oxford ) ..... DTM&H - Diploma in Tropical Medicine & Hygiene ( London School of Tropical Medicine ) ..... MSc - Master of Science in Epidemiology ( Northumbria University ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But instead lets listen to conspiracy theorists on YouTube or TikTok Do you not realise how utterly ridiculous and pathetic it makes you look ? If you were ill, would you go to (A) a plumber (B) a sausage maker or (C) a qualified doctor of General Practice. LOL... Chris Whitty the patsy that was instructed what to say, he was reading from script. He was just very careful not to say anything incorrect. Regarding the scientific merit of what he said, it seems pretty close to the views of the academics who were studying it. If there ever were a criticism of him, perhaps he did not say enough, but I think he is like 9/10 sort of mark. As usual though the criticism is fired that wrong people. There were some bad ones working for the government but he was not one and neither was Neil Ferguson. It seems to me the more accurate an academic is the more the Daily Mail and Express attack them. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 7, 2023 15:34:57 GMT
I don't read bullshit. At the time Britain was attacking China instead of dealing with the problem and China was saying, surely you should stop wasting time trying to blame us and do something to save your own people, but the attacks kept on coming. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 7, 2023 15:44:54 GMT
LOL... Chris Whitty the patsy that was instructed what to say, he was reading from script. He was just very careful not to say anything incorrect. Regarding the scientific merit of what he said, it seems pretty close to the views of the academics who were studying it. If there ever were a criticism of him, perhaps he did not say enough, but I think he is like 9/10 sort of mark. As usual though the criticism is fired that wrong people. There were some bad ones working for the government but he was not one and neither was Neil Ferguson. It seems to me the more accurate an academic is the more the Daily Mail and Express attack them. There was no 'experts' in a unknown field of a 'new' pandemic, they didn't even know, and still to this day don't know if it was even man-made. Covid was a case of thinking on your feet, one step forward two steps back.
That's why mistakes were made, we were given misinformation, Chris Whitty was doing nothing more than giving opinions, and he was there ready to be thrown under the bus if it all went horribly wrong.
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 7, 2023 16:24:03 GMT
He was just very careful not to say anything incorrect. Regarding the scientific merit of what he said, it seems pretty close to the views of the academics who were studying it. If there ever were a criticism of him, perhaps he did not say enough, but I think he is like 9/10 sort of mark. As usual though the criticism is fired that wrong people. There were some bad ones working for the government but he was not one and neither was Neil Ferguson. It seems to me the more accurate an academic is the more the Daily Mail and Express attack them. There was no 'experts' in a unknown field of a 'new' pandemic, they didn't even know, and still to this day don't know if it was even man-made. Covid was a case of thinking on your feet, one step forward two steps back.
That's why mistakes were made, we were given misinformation, Chris Whitty was doing nothing more than giving opinions, and he was there ready to be thrown under the bus if it all went horribly wrong.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 7, 2023 16:31:49 GMT
I just really don't understand the link between this thread and the Covid Enquiry one.
The same people saying that "lockdown was pointless" (thread title) are the same people arguing against the Covid Enquiry saying there's nothing to learn.
All that joined up thinking...
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 7, 2023 16:32:15 GMT
There was no 'experts' in a unknown field of a 'new' pandemic, they didn't even know, and still to this day don't know if it was even man-made. Covid was a case of thinking on your feet, one step forward two steps back.
That's why mistakes were made, we were given misinformation, Chris Whitty was doing nothing more than giving opinions, and he was there ready to be thrown under the bus if it all went horribly wrong.
They're called epidemiologists and they are the best equipped to suggest policy for infectious diseases. Well they should have suggested not to allow care home patients in and out of hospitals, it was one of the main reasons it spread, so are you saying that wasn't the fault of the government? it was the epidemiologists who got it wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2023 16:40:56 GMT
I just really don't understand the link between this thread and the Covid Enquiry one. The same people saying that "lockdown was pointless" (thread title) are the same people arguing against the Covid Enquiry saying there's nothing to learn. All that joined up thinking... Only in your perception, Andrew. I have not argued against a Covid enquiry. I am saying that lockdown was pointless (after the first 3 weeks failed) and that Boris was right about herd immunity and if he said "Let the bodies pile high", so what, they never would have piled high as the data says less than 2,000 lives saved. The undertakers coped so well. There were no carts in the streets "bring out your dead!" and there was no run on the Nightingale hospitals. In the NHS it was a bit of a non-event. I remember at the hospital, I couldn't use the lift, as a double bagged body was being moved from a ward to the mortuary. Within 2 weeks, no-one cared, because they knew. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 7, 2023 16:43:52 GMT
I just really don't understand the link between this thread and the Covid Enquiry one. The same people saying that "lockdown was pointless" (thread title) are the same people arguing against the Covid Enquiry saying there's nothing to learn. All that joined up thinking... If we already know that lockdowns had a 'negligible impact' on Covid mortality what are you expecting to learn? We already know that 'Test and Trace' was a waste of money and that 'Eat out to help out' was a waste of money so does wasting another £100 million telling you what you already know achieve? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 7, 2023 16:48:57 GMT
I just really don't understand the link between this thread and the Covid Enquiry one. The same people saying that "lockdown was pointless" (thread title) are the same people arguing against the Covid Enquiry saying there's nothing to learn. All that joined up thinking... If we already know that lockdowns had a 'negligible impact' on Covid mortality what are you expecting to learn? We already know that 'Test and Trace' was a waste of money and that 'Eat out to help out' was a waste of money so does wasting another £100 million telling you what you already know achieve? We did learn one thing from Covid, it made a hell of a lot of people wealthy, including the furlough fraudsters, no checks, just fill in the forms and BINGO. |
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