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Post by buccaneer on Jun 6, 2023 9:58:36 GMT
That's what panic does.
In fairness, had the gov. not locked down and hundreds of thousands more deaths had occured; could you imagine the backlash a Tory government would have got for putting the economy before the people.
They (gov) were already accused of deaths of those in aged care homes etc.
It would have been political suicide to throw caution to the wind. Remember the furore created when it was suggested Boris & co. were considering the idea of 'herd immunity', he had to U-turn on that pretty swiftly.
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Post by bancroft on Jun 6, 2023 10:00:50 GMT
I don't think the next time round, if there is one, the sheep wont follow as easily, I think most of us realise we were conned. WWII was 21 years after WWI, that might do it though like you say much sooner and everyone will complain or ignore. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 6, 2023 10:09:46 GMT
Covid was basically a world wide experiment to see how the masses would conform to control, they wanted to test how far they could push us, at the beginning when they convinced us we'd all be dropping like flies, and we'd be walking over dead bodies in the roads, we all crapped our pants.
Then as the days, week, months went by most of us were clicking something wasn't making sense, no mounds of dead bodies lying all over the place, to all intense and purpose nothing seemed any different than before the Covid pandemic, the only thing we noticed was mask wearing and social distancing, apart from that it was just people who already had underlying health issues, people in care homes, and the elderly who are vulnerable to illness anyway.
A lot more people fell ill because of the consequences of Covid, like not being able to get hospital appointments, and GPs locking themselves away at home, many more deaths were attributed to those factors than Covid itself.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 6, 2023 10:10:47 GMT
I remember Nigel being ostracised for suggesting the lockdown was a waste of time and that natural immunity should be the course to follow. I remember being criticised on the old forum for suggesting the same. It seems that Nigel and I were both right. As usual. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 6, 2023 10:12:06 GMT
Covid was basically a world wide experiment to see how the masses would conform to control, they wanted to test how far they could push us, at the beginning when they convinced us we'd all be dropping like flies, and we'd be walking over dead bodies in the roads, we all crapped our pants. Then as the days, week, months went by most of us were clicking something wasn't making sense, no mounds of dead bodies lying all over the place, to all intense and purpose nothing seemed any different than before the Covid pandemic, the only thing we noticed was mask wearing and social distancing, apart from that it was just people who already had underlying health issues, people in care homes, and the elderly who are vulnerable to illness anyway. A lot more people fell ill because of the consequences of Covid, like not being able to get hospital appointments, and GPs locking themselves away at home, many more deaths were attributed to those factors than Covid itself. Totally agree. In fairness to the government, initially we were dealing with unknowns. But as time went on it became clear that the consequences of lockdown far exceeded the consequences of COVID. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 6, 2023 10:13:16 GMT
That's what panic does. In fairness, had the gov. not locked down and hundreds of thousands more deaths had occured; could you imagine the backlash a Tory government would have got for putting the economy before the people. They (gov) were already accused of deaths of those in aged care homes etc. It would have been political suicide to throw caution to the wind. Remember the furore created when it was suggested Boris & co. were considering the idea of 'herd immunity', he had to U-turn on that pretty swiftly. I agree doing nothing was not an option the Government took the advice of the Medical experts and even they could not agree on it, should we go for the herd principle or lockdown ? it is easy to be wise after something has happened not before Without doubt the world will face another epidemic of some sort in the years to come, will whoever has to make the right decisions or not who knows , we may all be glowing in the dark if Putin hits the Nuclear button , will he make the right or wrong decision |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jun 6, 2023 10:24:23 GMT
Herd immunity during the later less deadly strains is acceptable, herd immunity during the early more deadly phases before the best medical procedures were developed is suicidal.
As ever Nigel is a know nothing popularist twat.
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Post by Orac on Jun 6, 2023 10:29:50 GMT
That's what panic does. In fairness, had the gov. not locked down and hundreds of thousands more deaths had occured; could you imagine the backlash a Tory government would have got for putting the economy before the people. They (gov) were already accused of deaths of those in aged care homes etc. It would have been political suicide to throw caution to the wind. Remember the furore created when it was suggested Boris & co. were considering the idea of 'herd immunity', he had to U-turn on that pretty swiftly. I agree doing nothing was not an option the Government took the advice of the Medical experts and even they could not agree on it, should we go for the herd principle or lockdown ? it is easy to be wise after something has happened not before Without doubt the world will face another epidemic of some sort in the years to come, will whoever has to make the right decisions or not who knows , we may all be glowing in the dark if Putin hits the Nuclear button , will he make the right or wrong decision Some of this was understandable confusion and doubt, but much of it was naked political opportunism. It became clear to me by about may-june, that we were being relentlessly funneled into bad choices. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 6, 2023 10:31:24 GMT
I don't think the next time round, if there is one, the sheep wont follow as easily, I think most of us realise we were conned. The sheep might not have much choice.. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 6, 2023 10:31:25 GMT
But it was what Parliament voted for on your behalf, pretty much unanimously. whose oarliament I never told the twat in the bay i wanted to ve benied the ability to Buy clean underwear |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 6, 2023 10:34:12 GMT
That's what panic does. In fairness, had the gov. not locked down and hundreds of thousands more deaths had occured; could you imagine the backlash a Tory government would have got for putting the economy before the people. They (gov) were already accused of deaths of those in aged care homes etc. It would have been political suicide to throw caution to the wind. Remember the furore created when it was suggested Boris & co. were considering the idea of 'herd immunity', he had to U-turn on that pretty swiftly. but the criticism regarding care homes was fully justified. Hancock allowed the infected to return to care homes to cull the inmates. Do Not Resuscitate notices were served by GPs….. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 6, 2023 10:36:02 GMT
Herd immunity during the later less deadly strains is acceptable, herd immunity during the early more deadly phases before the best medical procedures were developed is suicidal. As ever Nigel is a know nothing popularist twat. Tory Boy.🤣 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 6, 2023 10:41:14 GMT
I don't think the next time round, if there is one, the sheep wont follow as easily, I think most of us realise we were conned. The sheep might not have much choice.. I think we are eventually getting to the bottom of this exercise, it's always been heading this way, to take full control of our lives, I think someone wrote a book about it ... LOL |
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Post by Orac on Jun 6, 2023 10:46:21 GMT
I think we are eventually getting to the bottom of this exercise, it's always been heading this way, to take full control of our lives, I think someone wrote a book about it ... LOL They are busy covering all the exits and loopholes. Your elected government will have no discretion and you won't be allowed to complain or criticise. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 6, 2023 12:03:39 GMT
Herd immunity during the later less deadly strains is acceptable, herd immunity during the early more deadly phases before the best medical procedures were developed is suicidal. As ever Nigel is a know nothing popularist twat. Tory Boy.🤣 Silly boy you  |
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