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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 9:56:55 GMT
And Starmer is now watching his chances of ever becoming PM receeding before his eyes!
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Post by dappy on Oct 26, 2022 10:02:53 GMT
Is he?
The two most recent polls published yesterday and today give Labour a 26pt and 32 pt lead. Betting markets have it as a 80% chance of a Labour lead government. It may change of course but your complete confidence seems a little wishful thinking.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 26, 2022 10:05:06 GMT
Who cares what colour Sunak is, every one who says they don't like him as Prime Minister is now a racist FFS This is what you have to deal with on a daily basis, people silenced because they are afraid to speak up in case they are branded with some bigoted label. Well in the leadership election he lost, one of his cronies of dark skin colour came out and said it would be racist not to vote for him. I hope he tries that in the 2024 GE |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 10:06:42 GMT
Is he? The two most recent polls published yesterday and today give Labour a 26pt and 32 pt lead. Betting markets have it as a 80% chance of a Labour lead government. It may change of course but your complete confidence seems a little wishful thinking. As ever, there's only one poll that matters. And the Tories have an 80 seat majority and no government has ever lost a subsequent general election with such a majority. Sure, the Tories wobbled, but they now have a competent PM (and one of the most fiscally competent MPs) at the helm. And two years to go until the next general election. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 26, 2022 10:06:51 GMT
Who cares what colour Sunak is, every one who says they don't like him as Prime Minister is now a racist FFS This is what you have to deal with on a daily basis, people silenced because they are afraid to speak up in case they are branded with some bigoted label. No not at all, Fairsociety. Rackham does care about skin colour - he said so when he was outraged that a brown person should be London mayor. In fact he regarded it as an international embarassment that the mayor of the capital should be brown. It is perfectly acceptable for you to oppose Sunak on policy or character however. I fear his sleazy appointment of ministerial code abuser Braverman suggests there will be much to oppose him on. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 10:08:18 GMT
Is he? The two most recent polls published yesterday and today give Labour a 26pt and 32 pt lead. Betting markets have it as a 80% chance of a Labour lead government. It may change of course but your complete confidence seems a little wishful thinking. I agree , but even starmer is apparently briefing labour mps not to talk up hypothetical poll leads this far out from an election . A week is a long time in politics as they say , and starmer is going to get little help from scotland at the next GE , and of course im pretty sure rejoin is going to rear its head in England once again .
Its a shamefull reflection of yookay politics that a man who has sat saying and doing very little apart form hoping his opposition implode can be a serious contender for the next pm.
Keir is infamous for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.......
headlines a mere month ago...
Voters do not know what Keir Starmer stands for, poll finds on eve of crucial Labour conference
Exclusive: Despite polling leads, little more than one in three expect to see Labour leader in No 10
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Post by dappy on Oct 26, 2022 10:20:40 GMT
Is he? The two most recent polls published yesterday and today give Labour a 26pt and 32 pt lead. Betting markets have it as a 80% chance of a Labour lead government. It may change of course but your complete confidence seems a little wishful thinking. As ever, there's only one poll that matters. And the Tories have an 80 seat majority and no government has ever lost a subsequent general election with such a majority. Sure, the Tories wobbled, but they now have a competent PM (and one of the most fiscally competent MPs) at the helm. And two years to go until the next general election. If course. The polls suggest at the moment the Tories are miles behind. I would expect them to close but it will be very hard for the Tories to turn them around enough to themselves earn a majority at the next election especially as the climate is likely to be very difficult for the next couple of years. It may happen but your confident prediction that Starmer is watching his chances of being PM slip away is simply wishful thinking. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 26, 2022 10:22:13 GMT
We'll see.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 26, 2022 10:25:17 GMT
Who cares what colour Sunak is, Labour Party members in the main. Sunak being an ethnic shows up Labours failure to promote diversity and even on this forum its noticeable that the posters continually bringing up his race are mainly Labour Party supporters. For everyone else its a non issue. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 26, 2022 10:26:37 GMT
What experts are these Thomas?
And have you seen my post about some of the Tory members being discussed at Sunaks appointment has Mp.
There so disappointed they handed in there Membership
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 10:31:38 GMT
As ever, there's only one poll that matters. And the Tories have an 80 seat majority and no government has ever lost a subsequent general election with such a majority. Sure, the Tories wobbled, but they now have a competent PM (and one of the most fiscally competent MPs) at the helm. And two years to go until the next general election. If course. The polls suggest at the moment the Tories are miles behind. I would expect them to close but it will be very hard for the Tories to turn them around enough to themselves earn a majority at the next election especially as the climate is likely to be very difficult for the next couple of years. It may happen but your confident prediction that Starmer is watching his chances of being PM slip away is simply wishful thinking. Despite the polls which show the uk current disatisfaction with the tory implosion , i would say starmer still has two rather large elephants in the room that at some stage he will have to come fact to face with .....scot indy , and brexit.
Half the people in scotland wont touch labour with a bargepole because of the indy issue , and in the bigger english electorate , despite the various problems , and anger at conservative behaviour , i think its going to take a lot for the 54 % who voted to leave the EU in England to grapple with voting starmer and labour . The idea of England being dragged back into the EU in ball and chain to do penitence to the French and Germans and worldwide humiliation is i think going to be too much for many to bear.
The idea among many of the political chattering classes that the next election will simply be about the ususal run of the mill economic issues is rather fancifull to me. Hence why despite labours poll lead at the minute , im not sure its going to be anything like as clear cut as some would make it.
Could we possibly see a hung parliament with all the different voting factions and agendas of modern uk politics?
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 10:33:39 GMT
What experts are these Thomas? And have you seen my post about some of the Tory members being discussed at Sunaks appointment has Mp. There so disappointed they handed in there Membership hi mate, what would be helpfull is if you learned to use the quote tags so we know what you are refferring to. Im not a pedant , but its hard to keep track replying to so many in so many different threads and keeping up with whats been discussed with who?
Cheers!
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Post by dappy on Oct 26, 2022 10:38:47 GMT
No one is suggesting rejoining the EU, Thomas, if only because the EU would not have us.
I wouldn't be surprised by a hung parliament after the next election but if there is unless the DUP has enough seats to tip the Tories into a de facto majority, then a Labour lead government would then be inevitable. None of us have crystal balls but at the moment the betting odds of around an 80% likelihood of a Labour PM after the next election do not feel crazy.
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Post by patman post on Oct 26, 2022 12:53:21 GMT
Starmer's flapping because he can see the markets are happy with Sunak and his new cabinet, he fears the turbulence of the past few months will calm which will be reflected in the polls and the Tories will be on course for another election win in 2024. I'm not saying that will happen, but you can bet Starmer's worried about it. Unfortunately (because I was hoping Sunak would be cut a little slack to get government back on track) you’re wrong. The new PM is being attacked for his cabinet choices from all sides. It will be good if he can ride this out and get an effective administration working… |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 12:57:15 GMT
No one is suggesting rejoining the EU, Thomas, if only because the EU would not have us. I wouldn't be surprised by a hung parliament after the next election but if there is unless the DUP has enough seats to tip the Tories into a de facto majority, then a Labour lead government would then be inevitable. None of us have crystal balls but at the moment the betting odds of around an 80% likelihood of a Labour PM after the next election do not feel crazy. Of course keir starmer isnt suggesting rejoining as he knows he would be annihilated at the polls if he did. What we are seeing is mealy mouthed words about making brexit work , from the arch europhile and anti democrat who was prepared to piss all over 62 % of labours own brexit constituencies to renege on brexit during the 2019 GE.
Does anyone really trust this man on any issue? Does anyone know where he stands on any issue except as we know wanting to rejoin the eu against the majority will who voted leave?
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